Typical CAIR sponsored event. A speech by a Muslim convert reinforcing victimization stating Muslims are challenged, life is unfair to Muslims in America…bla bla bla. Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison even claims his opponent for Congress called him a terrorist. OK, maybe you’re not a terrorist but you chose to be the keynote speaker for CAIR (on many occasions) – an organization founded by convicted terrorists and an unindicted co-conspirator in a terror funding case. Doubt he mentioned that to the kids.
Even more importantly Ellison claims that if people knew more about Islam, there might not have been any controversy over the anti-white, anti-American (to name a few) statements made by Barack Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright. Um, ok – you got us there Keith. Douche.
To top it all off, in response to a question about remarks made by John McCain, Ellison claims that Islam is all about forgiveness even though “they” want to chop you [Muslims] up into little pieces. Interesting choice of words Congressman. Of course asking Ellison questions is off limits for anyone in the MSM so we don’t expect any clarification on his statements. Read it anyway.
Muslim congressman speaks at symposium – Keith Ellison (D-Minn) encourages student to embrace faith [Muslim faith that is]
The first Muslim elected to U.S. Congress shared some of his experiences as an elected official with those who hope to follow in his footsteps one day.
Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) was keynote speaker at the Muslim Youth Leadership Symposium, hosted by the Chicago office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
The symposium was held at the Mosque Foundation Community Center, 7260 W. 93rd St., in Bridgeview.
The two-day event brought together Muslim high school students from the area to inspire them to use their faith values toward constructive citizenship, benefiting their communities and country.
Ellison told the 100 or so students in the audience being in a position of leadership means not only recognizing problems, but finding the solutions to them. And he said it would be up to them to build cultural understanding.
He encouraged students to look within themselves and embrace the challenges they face as Muslims, even if those challenges seem unfair.
“You’ve been given a gift, an opportunity to face adversity with courage, with patience, with the assistance of prayer. And to come out on the other side of it more successful than you were before. Find out about things about yourself you didn’t know before,” he said.
Ellison told of the adversity he’s faced as a Muslim such as during his run for Congress when Robert Fine, brother of his opponent Alan Fine, called him a terrorist.
During such trying times, he received support from his family and friends during the campaign. He said it was his faith that helped carry him.
He said teachings in the Koran could help the racial divide in America. And he encouraged students to embrace and answer questions about their faith, even if those questions seem repetitive.
“Let’s use what we have, what our faith is all about, to help America get over the barrier of racial division and false barriers based on color,” he said.
Ellison went on to say if more people knew of what Islam had to teach, the controversy created by statements from presidential candidate Barack Obama’s former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, might not have occurred.
Ellison took questions from the audience. At one point, he was asked whether Republican presidential candidate John McCain should be forgiven for saying he would never vote for a Muslim presidential candidate.
He reiterated Islam’s teaching of mercy.
“That’s what it means to be Muslim. To want the best for everyone, even if they want to chop you up into little pieces,” he said.
Michael Drakulich can be reached at mdrakulich@southtownstar.com or (708) 802-8841.
Tags: Barack Obama, cair, Creeping Sharia, Education, islam, jihad, Keith Ellison, News, Politics, Religion
April 13, 2008 at 1:06 PM
It’s America’s fault for not only bringing in (immigration) poisonous vipers and deadly cobras (filthy diaperheads) but feeding them with such aplomb. Very multi culti, wot? Sold their ass to the Saudi for lolly.
We’ll soon get more 9/11’s in more US cities. The fun then begins.
Bye bye America.
April 13, 2008 at 1:51 PM
this country was founded by (immigrants),you are also an (immigrant) are you a terrorist? the laws of this country have exceeded itself . Is it not also true that this country was founded upon (revolutionist). which are also known today as (terrorist)? everyone is so quick to lash out at someone else when you forget where you stand yourself. poisonous vipers, deadly cobras and slanderous filth! be careful what you think, your life is shaped by your thoughts.
April 13, 2008 at 1:52 PM
That made no sense at all.
April 13, 2008 at 9:41 PM
not convinced that just because his father was muslim that he is…his mother wasn’t muslim and he was born in the US…last I checked sharia law wasn’t in effect in Hawaii
if you subscribe to one Islamic principle don’t you have to subscribe to all of them? unless you are saying in the eyes of Muslims he was born Muslim…but again then you need to look at everything from the viewpoint of Muslims – and then we’d all be living under sharia law right?
April 13, 2008 at 11:23 PM
I think we need to get a fatwa on the matter before anyone can say with certainty.
April 14, 2008 at 8:02 AM
This guy may force the issue on whether B-HO was Muslim or not…
http://www.pr-inside.com/andy-martin-sues-new-york-times-r529052.htm
April 14, 2008 at 8:06 AM
Dear Your says, NO, I am not an immigrant, neither am I in the US. The fact that the US says its fighting a war on terrorism and then allowing CAIR . founded by a Hamas terrorist and have terrorists as members who threaten America from within is stupidity of the highest order. Do some checking and you will find just how vulnerable the US really is. Even the FBI’s hands are tied .
Creeping, refer to Answering Islam blog or Islam Review and you’ll get the rigid reply: In islam if one’s father is a muslim the children are muslims. Women do not factor in this medieval cult. The big Question is: Why are Muslims silent about his apostasy?
In his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama mentions studying the Koran and describes the public school as “a Muslim school.”
“In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies.”
According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama’s teachers and the principal from 1971 through 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. “I remembered that he had studied “mengaji” (recitation of the Quran)” Tine said.
“Mengagi” is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, ‘mengaji classes’ are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to. To put this in a Christian context, this is something above and beyond simply enrolling your child in Sunday school classes.”
The saying: birds of a feather flock together. Want to know a man’s real character, examine his friends. Barack’s pastor Rev. Wright preached “.” “God Damn America,” These sentiments were entirely consistent with comments Wright had made many times during his long pastoral career. From the pulpit, Rev. Wright also has taught that AIDS was concocted by the federal government as a genocidal plot against blacks. On another occasion, he declared, “Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run! … We [Americans] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”
Barack Obama had joined Trinity twenty years earlier, had been married in the Church, and had his daughters baptized there. Obama and his wife had donated $22,500 to Trinity in 2006.
Barack fully endorses Wright’s Black Liberation Theology. Andwhat are those beliefs? Like the pro-communist liberation theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class.
The leading theorist of Black Liberation Theology is James Cone. Overtly racist, in his cosmology whites are “the devil,” and “all white men are responsible for white oppression.” Cone makes this point without ambiguity: “This country was founded for whites and everything that has happened in it has emerged from the white perspective,” Cone has written. “What we need is the destruction of whiteness, which is the source of human misery in the world.”
Isn’t it troubling that Barack and his family and his close friends subscribe to an explicitly racist doctrine?
Then we have Barack’s deep association with Farakhan. He has many of Farakhan’s associates and friends as his aides. It does not take a scientist to figure their agenda. But I’m not factoring out the Hispanics and Asians who will not stand for Black Supremacy. So, civil war, or what?
His wife’s hatred of whites and America is so transparently disgusting – never mind she’s had a Princeton education, never mind the mega bucks she’s now earning that affords them to live like “white”. The focus is in “Revenge of the Blacks” the victims, every white who do not subscribe to their Black ideology or who are not prepared to snivel and grovel.
Americans will reap who they vote into the White House. America’s power is waning, America’s will is waning, America’s morality border on the insane, and America is partly to blame for the Islamisation of the West.
I am from the East, and very happy, and very glad to be an Eastern. Thank you.
April 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM
lotus: At the start of this year I had fear that Obama might be able to win office by sticking to his tactic of not saying anything concrete and dwelling only in platitudes.
things have changed since then. Obama has revealed himself to most thinking Americans as a racist , liar, disengeniious, an basically, a total fraud.
He will not win in November. Believe me.
Neither will Hillary.. everyone hates her.
I am no fan of McCain but he looks like Moses compared to the Democrats.
April 14, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Lotus,
Thanks for writing again, definitely appreciate your thoughts.
You cover a lot of different topics in your latest comment, most of which we agree with.
But again, if you suggest that Obama is Muslim or apostate because Muslims say he is, then you are following sharia law right? It’s an argument many have made but don’t think it’s well thought out. Islamic law and culture believe many things we as non-Muslims don’t subscribe too. So are you just picking and choosing Islamic doctrine to make your point? Or do you just want him to admit he was once a Muslim? I don’t think anyone has ever asked Obama if he converted to Christianity from Islam…someone should.
April 14, 2008 at 10:43 AM
How is Lotus following Islamic Law for merely observing and reporting what Muslims themselves say what they consider thier doctrine to be?
April 14, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Well let’s clarify.
Lotus – do you personally believe Obama is a Muslim apostate?
How ’bout you Vince P?
Or are you guys just reporting what Muslims believe?
April 14, 2008 at 11:44 AM
I’m not a Muslim.. It’s not up to me to determine who is an apostate or not.
April 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Vince, tks yr comments.
Creeping, I am not muslim, thank the Supreme for that. Pls visit the sites I mentioned above. To fight islamofascism one has to be aware, beware, and well informed. You will find that the quran contains more than 100+ verses calling for the subjugation of all non muslims; but the lazy, useless parasites muslims are, (that’s why OIC countries are all FAILED STATES, CESSPOOLS GIVEN LIFE BY NON MUSLIMS) muslims will ensure they keep enough non muslims to humiliate them at every turn (Al-Ghazali circa 1100 AD who defeated Ibn Rushd (Averoess) Voice of Reason to observing strict traditionalism – outlined in his “The Incoherence of the Philosophers and since then the muslim world has been plunged into various strict traditionalist interpretation and literalism of the quran.
Al-Ghazali was clear that tolerance had its limits. He demanded that when non muslims were paying their protection money (jizya) they should be struck in the face to remind them of their inferiority.
Not all non muslims will be converted, for then who will pay the jizya and provide much fulfilled hatred, superiority to the muslims? Who will be commanded to work to death so as to fulfill the muslim’s every earthly comfort? Who then will satisfy the sadism of muslims in torture, cruelty, and inhumane acts?
Search for Pact of Omar and find out for yourself what your life will be under sharia law imposed on all should islam rule.
As for apostasy, most islamic countries observe death as penalty. Egypt however, has of late, had one sect abolishing death for apostasy.
Also, search for apostate websites (there are many) and read first hand accounts of those who have left islam and are forced to hide it lest they be murdered. Good example is Salman Rushdie, a non practising musli, the Somali Ayan Hirsi Ali whose protection was removed by dhimmi, spineless Dutch govt expelled her on the flimsy ground that she violated immigration pass.
Ibn Warraq, author of “Why I am not a muslim” and “West is best” provides invaluable material to the real nature of islam, its goals, its evil and delves into both the founder, Mohd. and the quran which is a mish-mash of plagarism from the Torah, New Testament, Hindu Scriptures, Jinns, Shamism, and 40% Arabic folk tales.
The book “Leaving Islam” has former muslims tell how they came to the realization that Islam was evil and how they left the faith.
The fact is Obama never baptized!!! Find out why. He never took the standard oath of allegiance to the US nor saluted the flag, either. Very telling, methinks!
Consider the following:
1) In 1999, the Vatican hosted a conference of Muslim and Christian leaders, attended by the Titular Archbishop of Smyrna. He reports that a Muslim participant was disarmingly frank about the purpose of Islamic settlers in pluralistic Western societies. Addressing the Christian delegates from Europe, he allegedly said: “Because of our religion, we will invade you; because of your democracy, we will DESTROY you”
2) Erdogan, now PM of Turkey, said back in 1999 ” Democracy is the bus you ride until you arrive at Sharia. Todays Turkey was yesterdays Byzantium – a Christian country invaded and despoiled. Dont forget their wars on Greece and their continued occupation of Cyprus and the ongoing vandalism of medieval Christian churches and religious sites – there’s no such thing as moderate Islam.
Recently, on German soil, the same Erdogan told cheering Turkish workers and Germans of Turkish ancestry that “assimilation is crime against humanity”. Conveniently ignored by the dimwits of Europe and increasingly America. Ripe for conquest through sharia which increasingly finds legitimacy in the West. Recall the ArchDhimmi of Canterbury Rowan Williams and his call for sharia law alongside british law in the UK? One can ask: et tu Brutus? Unfortunately, no one in those isles rose in uniform to physically demonstrate and enquire of the Loony Labour govt “who shall get rid of this meddlesome priest’? (Henry II)
3) ! According to Muslim scholar Bassam Tibi, “Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world…. If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them. … Those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them” “We have sent you forth to all mankind” (Q. 34:28). If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call (da’wa) can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them. “>>Majid Khadduri of Johns Hopkins University wrote that jihad is “an instrument for both the universalization of (Islamic) religion and the establishment of an imperial world state.”
“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step.” — Sir Winston Churchill – circa 1899.
Islam has a developed doctrine, theology, and legal system that mandates warfare against unbelievers. To say that Islam has been around for 1300 years but that radicalism is somehow new ignores centuries of Islamic expansionism and violence that was justified by the doctrines of jihad. The evil incarnate paedophile Mohd. himself said “I have been made victorious with terror cast in the hearts of the enemy” (Bukhari, 4, 52, 220).
The filthy quran repeatedly calls for the use of this tactics, such as in verse 8, 12: “When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” . “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them” is an injunction both unambiguous and powerful.
4) Very courageous Geert Wilders Fitna just touches the periphery of what islam and muslims have done to civilisations; nevertheless it was a powerful quickie and given the viral nature of the internet lives on.
Did anyone hear words of condemnation from key figures about the extremists who call for hate and death against non-Muslims – as captured on video in the Dutch film?
We need more and more Geert Wilders, we need to swamp every media with cartoons, short articles, with one aim: Mock and Ridicule islam . Fitna had Osama bin Laden and his cahoots in apoplectic fits to realise that their islam has come under scrutiny – under mock, ridicule scrutiny.
The Chinese say: picture speaks a thousand words. So, more pictures mocking and ridiculing islam, muslims, please. To destroy islam the ideology has to be destroyed. Without islam there will be no more muslims. Islam is their security blanket. Islam turns them into brain dead zombies. really, muslims suffer from mental retardation since 632AD
Consider the pussy footing, the vacillating modus operandi, the appeasing, the accommodating by “democracies” to Russia’s and China’s handling of muslims. Why is it that when Putin who destroyed an entire nation (Chechnya) is feted and welcomed by the Mid-East as a friend. Bush is castigated with all sorts of insults though he bends backwards. China rules with an iron fist on its muslims and no one, not the United Nazis (UN) who now has its gestapo (the OIC ) the sick miinds of Amnesty Int’l – when was the last time anyone read about the genocide on black sudanese by the arab janjaweed?
Right now, in the sudan, muslims target christian women and children to be hacked up with machettes. it’s to maim, spread terror maintain control… and it’s for fun. Last year, indonesia (highest % of muslims in the world) executed 48,000 christians for the following crime: being christian.
What kind of excrement would rape and murder a nun? Well, muslims do with much aplomb. Doesn’t their quran, the book from the pits of hell, the thoughts of Satan, teach them that a non muslim can be robbed, enslaved, raped, mocked, insulted, cursed, tortured, crucified, killed, and plotted against. The non muslim is the lowest form of life- destined for hell, anyway,. This is the kind of diseased, no redemption , evil mind we are dealing with.
Sun Tzu said: Know thyself and know thy enemy. 1000 battles. 1000 victories. Russia and China know how to handle muslims. The West acts like a bumbling fool. Until the West acknowledges that islam is a danger not only to their own country and fellow men, but to the world at large, the West stands guilty of islamisation and is to blame.
April 14, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Simple question that neither of you answered.
April 14, 2008 at 8:04 PM
I’ll answer again.
I’m not a Muslim.. It’s not up to me to determine who is an apostate or not.
Somehow you missed that.
April 14, 2008 at 8:43 PM
read the question again…
…do you personally believe Obama is a Muslim apostate?
yes or no? no reiteration of your explanations, no reference to other websites, a simple yes or no to clarify your personal belief
April 14, 2008 at 9:57 PM
What is your definition of an apostate?
April 14, 2008 at 10:15 PM
To avoid any confusion – we’ll make this even easier: do you personally believe Obama was born a Muslim?
April 14, 2008 at 11:50 PM
The definition of what it means to be a Muslim is one of consesus by the Muslims themselves.
Some say you’re a Muslim if your father is a Muslim. So some people would say Obama was born a Muslim.
April 15, 2008 at 5:14 AM
Is it wise to try and challenge Islamists when you choose to agree with them on certain principles just to make a point about a candidate you don’t like? If both his parents were Muslim there would be unanimous agreement. But it’s not the case so we can’t agree.
If you are going to let Muslims dictate your own thoughts, or even if you are just reporting what they say, recall that Mohammid states (roughly) that all children are born into Islam until their own tongue says otherwise…this also becomes the justification some use to claim there are no “innocent” civilians…those who leave are not innocent
interesting Jimmy Carter prefaces his use of the word civilian with “innocent” as well
since you are unwilling to answer the question we’ll consider this thread closed
April 15, 2008 at 6:11 AM
Hey creeping, we don’t have to convince you. If you are too lazy to search for the answer then you do not deserve an answer. Leads have already been given. Only dumbos wanna be spoonfed. Take responsibility, man.
Islam which follows patriachal lineage is clear that all children born of a muslim is a muslim. The female does not factor. Savvy?
Yes, I’d consider this thread with YOU closed. Sheeeesh! what a wimp!
April 15, 2008 at 7:00 AM
I dont let Muslims control my thoughts. Good grief.
You asked me two very subjective questions. You asked me if he was born a Muslim and an apostate. Well I really dont care .. he’s unacceptable to me either way.
What the hell do I care who or what an apostate is.. the people for whom it is meaningful are Muslims. I asked you to define your terms and you have not. Dont lay your hissy fit on me because I’m not giving you the answers you want.
April 26, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Dear lotus:
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! You are the only person that knows about the muslims i have seen on many websights. It is a crime to be right and Christian in the United States right now, funny as this country was started by Christians for Christians, with the seperation of Church and state only meaning the federal government could not impose anything on the Church. Our government is only good for born again Bible believing Christians or those with Judeo Christian values (or anyone who follows them) that are self governing. Our country was not intended for self serving people who do what’s right in their own eyes and not according to Jehova God’s law (Ten Commandments). The country is being turned to socialism right now, George Bush#1, Bill Klinton, George #2, Hillary Klinton and probably McCain will keep it up. North American Union sucks, central banks get richer though. Islam will be allowed to flourish because oil is big in Islamic countries. Oil companies and Bush’s don’t want another government seizure of oil company assets and property like in Venezuela. Minnesota elected Jesse Ventura as governor, and California now suffers the “GOVERNATAH” ‘black farmer’ of Austrian birth. Why should we think that Keith Ellison is shocking. Where i live i know where some of the muslims live, and many of them know where i live, we will tangle sometime, but i have to let them make the first move, or i go to jail. Conspiring Elite want population control, Islam would do nicely to start a civil war in the United States, and reduce the population and also take away the only nation except Israel holding evil at bay. I wish Gorbachev was still in power. Satan has a larger hand in this whole debacle than any three groups of evil doers combined, they (groups) through greed for money power glory are playing right into the hands of Lucifer. Islam says: to go out and kill for Allah. Christianity says Jehova God sent His only begotten Son JESUS CHRIST of Nazereth to die for the people who would believe in Him. Jesus is the way the truth and the life, no one gets to God the Father in Heaven except through Him. Islam states the only guaranteed way to the Virginic paradise where every woman is a sex object and the whole area-floor-ground? is covered with pillows and wine flows in creeks to drink, and after devirginizing a female whether human or angel or some blend of them she is granted her virginity by Allah, to be devirginized again, for the pleasure of the Homocide committing posthumus follower of Islam. Islamic idea of heaven is a sex addicts paradise. The Muslim crowd has probably been indocturnated since birth to believe this, as Christians we can NOT hate them or judge them, because they don’t know the truth and they are in darkness in which the Light of Christ or the Gospel undefiled has not reached them. Some Muslims after getting a birds eye view of Islam as a whole do come to realize that it is ridiculous, knowing full well what the circumstances are for leaving Islam. Too late at night and too tired, hope i didn’t confuse anyone accidently by leaving out a key piece of info or something, but Islam is to destroy AMERICA by its own merits, Keith Elllison and Barak Obama(agnostic understanding of the Bible) and all other Muslim sympathizers and terrorist(s) are doing what they think is right.
May 4, 2008 at 4:04 AM
A Christian pointed out that the collapse of the bridge in Ellison’s district was no doubt punishment to America for allowing the bend over backward tolerance to the spread of Islam here in this country.
Who knows that God is not punishing us for this and pressuring Israel to give in to their Muslim oppressors?
May 4, 2008 at 4:10 AM
(Quote) Ellison took questions from the audience. At one point, he was asked whether Republican presidential candidate John McCain should be forgiven for saying he would never vote for a Muslim presidential candidate.
He reiterated Islam’s teaching of mercy.
“That’s what it means to be Muslim. To want the best for everyone, even if they want to chop you up into little pieces,” he said. (Unquote)
OMG! ELLISON HAS CHOPPING ON HIS MIND! I WONDER HOW MANY NON MUSLIMS VOTED FOR HIM!