…and that U.S. law protects human rights better. For the Buffalo News it’s all about culture clash and culture shock. First it was child abuse by Somali’s as “culture clash.” As sharia creeps further in upstate New York, now Domestic violence laws compound immigrants’ culture shock – The Buffalo News.
A refugee from Somalia was accused of trying to sell her 16-year-old daughter into marriage against her will.
Social Services took another Somali couple’s six children because the father belt-whipped his 8-year-old son and tied him up for misbehaving in school.
A Yemeni husband beat his wife and threw her down the stairs for talking back to him in front of the family.
“How else can I teach her how to behave?” the bewildered man asked in court.
These and other cases like them are raising the concerns of judges, lawyers and human services providers in Buffalo.
Erie County Family Court judges say they have seen a startling rise in the number of domestic abuse and juvenile delinquency cases involving immigrant, refugee and Muslim families who want help but fear police intervention.
In the immigrants’ native countries, these incidents would be considered common social and cultural practices. But in their new home, they are classified as abuse and felony assault.
“We don’t come from another city; we come from another planet,” said Burma refugee Law Eh Soe. “In Burma, you can hit your your wife or kid, but here, it’s a crime.”
Many foreign abusers hold victims hostage by threatening their immigration status in this country, said Shea Post, the victim services outreach coordinator for the International Institute resettlement agency. Language is also a major barrier.
“It’s common for us to work with women who are terrified of being hurt or killed,” Post she said, “terrified of being ostracized by their community if they come forward, who have no idea about how our system works.”
Soe added that services such as counseling are culturally unrecognizable to foreigners from conflict-ridden countries who liken extensive personal questioning to interrogation.
With more than 800 new refugees resettling in the Buffalo area each year, and nearly 1,500 expected next year, the question of how to work with non-native residents struggling with family violence has become a growing challenge for those in the court system.
The problem is serious enough that a special community and courts collaborative was formed 10 months ago to improve services to this newer population. The group recently hosted a daylong workshop in Buffalo for Family Court judges, lawyers and social service workers.
[A sharia court? Or a collaborative to help reconcile Islamic sharia law with American law?]
“In America, we emphasize independence and individual freedoms,” said Family Court Judge Lisa Bloch Rodwin in her opening remarks. “This is in direct conflict with certain cultures that emphasize obedience to parents and authority. How do we bridge the gap between behaviors which are accepted between spouses in other cultures, but which are not acceptable or legal here?”
In the 2 1/2 years she’s been judge, Rodwin said, she’s seen at least a doubling of cases involving newcomers to the country and culturally isolated Muslims, noting that child neglect, abuse, family violence and juvenile delinquency are rampant.
These issues certainly are not confined to immigrants and refugees. Domestic violence and child neglect reach across all ethnicities and income levels.
However, social service and legal advocates say immigrants and refugees face additional burdens of cultural differences, post-traumatic stress, generational power struggles, language barriers, immigrant community pressure and family isolation.
This country’s dim view of corporal punishment, its acceptance of women’s rights, and the criminalization of certain family behaviors are often lost on culturally insulated families who come from places where laws against family violence are nonexistent or unenforced.
Kenneth Gibbons, a lawyer who defends many immigrants accused of family violence crimes, said his clients often have a glorified view of this country and are completely shocked when they land in jail on family offense charges.
“They find themselves in court and charged with things that aren’t culturally considered wrong in their countries,” he said.
In addition, immigrant parents accustomed to complete obedience from their children find themselves in a losing power struggle as their children become Americanized and abandon their parents’ cultural values in favor of the individualistic cultural norms of the United States.
“This is where the tensions happen,” said Awadiya Yahyia, a refugee from the Darfur region of Sudan who spoke at the workshop.
Those tensions can line the path to family violence and crime.
Lawyer Eli Ciambrone defended a Somali mother who was accused by her daughter of beating her and trying to sell her into an arranged marriage for $5,000.
The mother denied the charges, saying she was just trying to keep her daughter from dating another Somali refugee who came from a rival clan — an act that would have resulted in her daughter’s execution in her home country.
The daughter later recanted and returned to live with her mother, but Ciambrone found herself fighting Social Services to keep the mother from pleading guilty to charges that could have eventually led to deportation by the Department of Homeland Security.
Another lawyer, Wallace Wiens of Neighborhood Legal Services, recounted an incident where an African refugee’s disabled daughter wound up pregnant by another local male refugee, and questions of consent arose.
The grandmother, who was seeking custody, did not comprehend that lack of consent would be considered a crime in this country. She was pressured by male elders to let the matter drop and allow the father to have the child, Wiens said.
Given the tribal culture the woman came from, the lawyer said, deciding to place faith in the foreign court system was an act of courage. She was awarded custody.
“Domestic violence in just about any culture is a taboo issue, and if you’re a minority here, you don’t want to portray the culture that you’re from in a negative light,” said April Arman, who co-founded RAMAHA in 2006, a local Muslim support group for abuse victims.
[Taqiyya. It is permitted, video: Wife Beating in Islam - The Rules.]
Advocates said many victims come from cultures where airing family problems is considered shameful and family unity is paramount.
But more local communities are learning that Family Court can provide orders of protection and other services through civil dispositions that can assist troubled families without leaving a criminal conviction on an immigrant’s record.
“The word is getting out in domestic violence cases that you can get relief without pressing charges,” Rodwin said.
The recent daylong workshop spearheaded by Rodwin and the Western New York Muslim and Immigrant Community/Family Court Collaborative, included sessions on immigration law, use of interpreters, addressing the Muslim faith and cultures, the role of refugee resettlement agencies and perspectives from defense lawyers and child and family advocates.
[Muslim groups collaborating with Family courts...to create pseudo-sharia courts? That is the effect of submitting Family courts to Islamic dawah and lying about sharia law and Islamic doctrine, like saying domestic violence is taboo.]
Many in attendance grilled immigration law experts about what types of offenses and court dispositions could lead an immigrant to be deported in domestic violence and child neglect cases.
They also were given practical tips from Khalid Qazi, president of the Muslim Public Affairs Council of Western New York, and Arman about how to interview Muslim families and work with less-Americanized victims in a culturally sensitive way.
[Background on MPAC - an Islamist group that backed terror group Hizbollah's attack on U.S. Marines - from Discover the Networks]
They differentiated between cultural standards and the actual teachings of the Islamic faith, which condemns family violence.
“Domestic violence is not acceptable in Islam, or really any faith tradition,” Arman said.
Paula Feroleto, administrative judge for the eight-county 8th Judicial District in Western New York, praised the recent workshop for its enlightening topic.
[Does anyone have a transcript of the meeting and what the Hizbollah-supporting MPAC was promoting? If so, comparing MPAC's deception to what Islamic sources teach might really enlighten the judge.]
She said, “I think education promoted understanding.”
Are N.Y. courts and law enforcement doing their jobs, or making it easier for Muslims to practice sharia law and evade U.S. law?
BEST PRACTICES IN WORKING WITH MUSLIM AND IMMIGRANT FAMILIES: BREAKING THE CULTURAL BARRIER (pdf)
The Buffalo News conveniently ignores the topics of sharia law, Islamic honor killings, and the most abhorrent example – Muslim, CEO of Islamist tv, charged with beheading wife in Buffalo, NY.
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Islam is a male dominated, inhuman and inhumane political system, whereby females and children are considered as chattel and owned by the male in the family,. As the male is considered to be all powerful, he can torture, beat, disfigure, sexually mutilate and kill any of the subgroups with impunity. Mohammed was a pedophile. He married a six-your-old child and “consumated” the marriage (In other words raped the child) when she was nine. It is surprising the child didn’t bleed to death as little girls do even today in Muslim countries where this practice is not only condoned, which is most of them. The Barbaric and horrific Sharia law which they would force on our country is cruel and inhumane. We must stop the subversion of our civilized laws from being replaced by seventh centuy barbarism. Any immigrant to this country who paractice this obscenity should be deported.to their Seventh Century Paradise.
Right on No Sharia Here! If they want to live under sharia law go back to those countries!
So send them back to where their behavior is “tolerated”. If you come to America, you have to adopt American mores and behaviors…or go to jail! Right?
ISLAM TAUGHT YOU ABOUT THE TIME , and much more
AS YOU CAN READ IN Al’quran briefly
MOON PHASE
MOON REVOLVES AROUND EARTH FOR A MONTH ( in between 29 days or 30 days )
7 DAYS IN A WEEK
12 MONTHS IN A YEAR
Go Away! your Al’quran is full of rubbish…”the devil sleeps up your nose at night” and he also urinates in your ear”, lightening are jinn throwing thunderbolts at each other, and camel urine makes you strong”‘ what part of ignorant and ridiculous don’t you understand? Muhammad plagiarised many well known Greek and Philosophical writings, thats why many of their mistaken ideas turn up in Al ‘quran, which BTW, was written down for muhammad by a Christian slave ( look THAT one up!) ,,besides that there were SEVEN different versions of Al quran until they were all modified into one book that you have now, the rest were burned…your book of fables, jumbled half truths from the Bible and other writings has been added to over those early years,,also even in Aishas time the goat got under the bed ate the Surahs on stoning, and women breastfeeding men, as if the TRUE GOD could not protect his very own word from a GOAT!! so don’t ask us to respect your ridiculous unenlightened book of fairy tales…Sorry!
INVITING DZUL TO EMBBRACE THE ISLAM OF JESUS AND OF PROPHET SULEIMAN; OR HE WILL END UP IN HELL-FIRE ONE DAY!
Anne, right. I think Dzul needs to tell his allah how to be more careful and not let goat eat up some more Quran again.
My ALLAH never loses any thing. And my ALLAH took the foreever-living Jesus to heaven to be with Him (An-Nisaa 4;158. But my ALLAH cursed Mohammed to die of a slow and painful death through eating poisoned goat meat served on him by his young, pretty but vengeful captive Jewish wife whose husband, parents, siblings and people had been massacred by Mohammed and his band of roving booty-seeking and ex-hungry “holy” fighters.
My ALLAh protected just-borN baby Jesus from allah’s two touches of imperfection, mortality and evil; whereas my ALLah chose not to protect Mohammed from his allah’s two lethal touches when he was just born. That was why Prophet Mohammed had to die like every one else in humanity.
And this are all facts found in islam’s holy books, not lies or slanders from non–Muslims’ writings, Dzul! It is time that you learn how to think and reason things out for yourself.
Please believe and show faith in the goodness of your Quran, Dzul, such as iAl-Baqarah 2:256: “There is no compulsion in religion. Truth now stands distinc from error.”
So come and accept the ISLAM of Jesus and of Prophet Suleiman. Or you will end up in hell-fire one day, Dzul!
I can understand your feelings Anne, but to criticize the Q’uran accomplishes nothing but to further their anger towards us just as their criticizms of our ways/religions angers us. They have lived like that for centuries! And nothing we say will change their minds or ways. The only hope is for every country to STOP sharia terrorism law! It cannot be allowed under any circumstance, Period!
The issue here is domestic violence including child abuse and up through murder. We know why they want sharia terrorism in this country–so they can continue their abuses toward others and get away with it!
In America, domestic violence is NOT tolerated nor are “honor” killings which lack any semblance of honor, and those committing those crimes hopefully will be severely punished!
Our fight comes in with our judges, especially federal judges making the decisions regardless of how the majority of people vote against sharia and with the courts that accept or give into their sharia terrorism law.
This is where our voices need to be heard–in the courts and the voting booths! Otherwise, this country will see a huge rise in most crimes, but most assuredly in what we consider heinous crimes of child abuses, rapes, and murders!
Shalom!
@ I’m Amazed,,…* Point taken* sorry I strayed from the issue of this article, however dzul needed to be answered as his comment had nothing to do with the issues here either.. him attempting to do * dawa * here was inappropriate,,,
LOL…yeah I wanted to jump on it too Anne and had to bite my tongue… shalom!
“but to criticize the Q’uran accomplishes nothing but to further their anger towards us”
Who cares? That’s the last thing we should be concerned with, whether we anger them or not. They’re already angry that we don’t submit to their ways in our own country. Criticizing their holy book amounts to speaking the truth. Speaking the truth about islam is the only thing that will stop it. It’s not wise to tell people to not criticize the koran, it is the only anti-dote to the poison.
I really don’t think anything we say or don’t say, do or don’t do makes any differance. They hate all that is not islam and they are hell bent on destroying it.
This is so true. We must make a stand against this evil Islam or they will conquer and destroy our way of life. The world has only one thing to look forward to as to the Muslims.Control them now or be controlled later.
“Keith” So, are you just going to bend over & submit or are you going to fight for your cultural & country?
“FLOAT LIKE A BUTTERFLY, AND STING LIKE A BEE”
Hey Fellas!
That’s what I have been always doing. So good if you people can take note of my viewpoint and style of doing cmbat, as Pastor Terry Jones of Florida did. That is why i have been the champion polemist viz-a-vis the Muslims, and beating them hands-down in their home-ground.
That is why all that they can do was to issue me their hidden death threats; and their many complaints to Singapore police simply could not work. But their complaints work when they made similar complaints against others, who were then hauled to court, and charged for sedition and jailed, even for posing some tame questions on Prophet Mohammed and on islam.
What Muslims need is light, not our uncalled for insults and slanders. But if truths hurt, so be it! Good for them, right?
“Floating like a butterfly, and stinging like a bee!”….that’s me, fellas!
May God have all our praises!
When’pigs’fly, NO I will not bend over and submit. I will fight for my Country. I will never ever bow down to any muslim. Just stating a fact that it does not matter what we do, muslims will hate anything not islam and they want to destroy it. They do not want to be friends and they don’t want peace with us. They want us to submit ar die. I will not submit so I choose the latter, but I will not go without a fight. So where do you stand?
@whenpigsfly…Obviously you and many others do not care! And that certainly is your choice. I however do care and have learned adding fuel to fire does nothing but increase the heat and flames. Hate begets hate and brings no positive end for anyone!
I don’t like what the extremeists are doing any more than anyone else in this country. It’s not right that they receive concessions to the laws here and we certainly are not given the same in their countries. But feeding and growing hate accomplishes nothing and it certainly does NOT change things because they are going through the courts for their accomplishments and it’s working! So you best be speaking to your law makers, judges, congressmen to have your voice heard because in the courtroom is the only place we have a chance at winning which is to stop sharia law in this country and hold law breakers of any ethnicity or religion or politics to the laws of the U.S.
shalom!
The only hope we have is to reach the judges and those responsible for changing our laws and demand NO Sharia here by holding the law makers accountable and voting out those who are sympathetic to sharia law!
If you believe any other way or with violence is an end to the problem, you will be sadly disappointed!
{I’m Amazed!, on December 13, 2010 at 3:25 PM said:
I can understand your feelings Anne, but to criticize the Q’uran accomplishes nothing but to further their anger towards us just as their criticizms of our ways/religions angers us….}
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JESUS SAYS, WITHOUT ISLAM, CHRISTIANS WILL GO TO HELL (MATTHEW 7:21-23)
“Amazed”, you are not totally correct. We need to learn the good things in the Quran, and then invite the Muslims to join with us to show faith in the goodness and beauty of their Quran; and then tell them there is no need to believe and show such great faith in the bad and wrong teachings in their Quran. That should be the order.
Otherwise, how are we going to tell them what is so wrong and dreadful in their Sharia Laws and in theiir islam?
And I am one who really believe in ISLAM of Prophet Suleiman of the Quran (re An-Naml 27:19) and of Messiah Isa, as He had preached in Matthew 7:21-23. Without ISLAM, Jesus says Christians like you and me will end up in hell, not just the Muslims, dude!
@Oh Tham…I don’t know what Bible your reading from, but mine does not say that in Matthew! Or else you have invented your own interpretations?! But that is neither here nor there as this is not a doctrinal debate.
I have read the Quran, and I can admire the challenge you have taken to present the positive from the Quran; it is a novel approach that may very well work with some Muslims.
I dislike being the eeyore, but I seriously doubt the approach will have any effect on the extremeists. I certainly wish you well with that path, however!
Shalom!
Oh Thang is continually invented things
THE WORD “ISLAM” IN ARABIC MEANS SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF GOD
So ISLAM of Jesus is about the submission to doing the will of the Benevolent, Omnipotent, Loving and Wisest Creator God of the Universe. That is in Matthew 7:21.
Without this ISLAM of Jesus, Christians will go to hell, as God will tell us, “I know not you. Go away…..”
On the other hand, the islam of Prophet Mohammed seeks to bring humanity to submit to the troube-making and problemmatic will of allah, that divine impostor.
Having establish this parameter, I can go swinging around and pummelling them with terms like islam-inspired terrorism, islamic terrorists, “islam is of the devil”, etc, and the law enforcers and the judge would know what I mean, that I am not defaming ISLAM, if I am hauled to court to face criminal charges—because I am promoting the goodness of their Quran too, as is inherent in the Prayer of Prophet Suleiman in An-Naml 27:19, and obligatory of Christians under Philippians 4:8. So how can I be guilty for wanting to promote the goodness in their Quran that my Bible says I must also do? LOL!!
But if I say or write “Islam is of the devil”, for sure you can expect the Singapore police to be knocking at my doors tonight with their handcuffs. And that may cause me maybe 2 months inprisonment after my conviction for sedition. Islamists are facing hell of a difficult time trying to fix me. So you can expect the penalty I would receive on my criminal conviction would be most severe, given the voluminous output I have churned out in internet.
Forget not that Paul had warned us Satan can come to us as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14); and that the demons can also speak beautiful truths, such as in Mark 3:11 and Acts 16:17.
You are right—this approach is is very novel, as I had not read of it anywhere. And you are right again—it may work with some Muslims and start them to ponder on what I have stimulated their darkened and long-oppressed minds to think.
That is the time when God’s Spirit can then work in their hearts and minds to help them see the light. And I can also be shouting my stentorian alarm from the roof-top to wake up the still slumbering without fear of the police going after me with their handcuffs, except for some noise pollution—”islam is of the Devil!”
And that is the truth, dude—-”islam is indeed of the devil allah!”
For more details, you may now goto: http://www.haitinews.net/story/694874
@ Oh Tham…Thank you for the explanation. Although our Bibles most likely say the same with different wording, mine is with the Hebraic definitions. Shalom!
oh tham eng. .. I respect your approach to waking muslims to the evil in the Quran, as you promote the very few passages that are good , this approach probably works well in the muslim dominated society in which you live..However we in the West don’t have to kow tow to muslims as they do not YET hold the upper hand. We have many politicians who are willing to sell our countries down the river because unlike the general masses they have privileged information on the state of the western world and its impending demise economically and politically to the Arab and communist unity, that will in the next year BOYCOTT the American Dollar as the Universal Currency! Some countries are already doing this and are not accepting American dollars from tourists, or banks..This boycott will turn the USA into a third world economy, Politicians in order to protect their own investments and savings are accepting Islamic Sharia in the banking arena, they are doing this here in Australia ( our Port of Brisbane has been sold to Saudi Arabia!!! ) they will further compromise by ramping up immigration from Muslim countries to keep our future muslim masters happy..( happening here too) I don’t know if anyone really understands the seriousness of our economies in the West, but a new ascendancy of political and economic power is already hatching! China, Arab and Russian governments have already agreed to bypass the US Dollar and trade in their own currencies amongst themselves.. I hope we all realize that a countries power rides on the back of its monetary system, and America is BROKE, with no hope to pay back her debts. If every American was to pay 100% of their wage to the government for the next year it would still not be enough to pay the debt and the rising interest.. we are heading for disaster with Barak Obama leading the way in Islamization of the US and my country Australia is blindly following this dhimmitude.. Oh Tham Eng, sad to say Islam will dominate this world, Revelation 20 ” I saw the souls of those who were BEHEADED for the witness of JESUS and FOR THE WORD OF GOD ( holy Bible) …this will be the One World Government prophecied in the last Book of the Bible…I wish it were otherwise, its a fearful prediction, but when we take note of world events the writing is on the wall . We still must continue to fight this evil, but do not be amazed how quickly especially under Obama, that Sharia is given the green light in America. Islam is being openly promoted by Holder who recently assured muslims he will look after their rights,the Department of Defense is issuing muslim clothing on their website to their military plus Islamic books, headwear, and the MADNESS is unending.!! One more thing, Oh Tham Eng… your statement about Jesus is VERY wrong! you say that without the ISLAM of Jesus, meaning the SUBMISSION ( Islam means submission) of Jesus, Christians will go to hell… as God will tell us, I know not you, go away” NO!! NO!! Jesus submitted to the Father in all things while here on Earth, but it is the GOSPEL that saves a man, THE CROSS of Jesus, His DEATH as payment for our SINS, that we acknowledge that He died for our sins as the SON OF GOD!! ….that is what God the Father requires of us ( John 3: 16 ) BELIEF in JESUS as the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, who DIED FOR OUR SINS!! please make sure when you speak to Muslims that this is your message, it is the ONLY one that will save them from hellfire, NOT teaching the ISLAM ( submission) of Jesus …that is a DIFFERENT Gospel that Jesus warned us about!! with respect… Anne
The ancient Egyptians, the ancient Britons 4000 years ago, knew about the phases of moon and sun! You lot have only been going for 1388 years!
The ancient Greeks made a computer to tell them when the eclipses take place! Get back in your cave!
WoW.. Juniper, thats pretty impressive…the ancient Greeks/Egyptians had so much knowledge, I also saw a photo of the first ever battery, thousands of years old..the pagan Arabs never invented anything, even the number O that they claim ,proves they are “superior”, was taken from the Indian Culture, when Islam invaded the Indus valley. The only sure thing they have invented is the suicide vest,, :0)
Oh, and even the invention of the suicide vest required prior knowledge of explosives NOT discovered by muslims, but by the non muslim Chinese! every technology used by middle eastern muslim countries was invented by Israelis, Asian or WESTERN Kuffar, now don’t muslims wonder why their “god”would allow hated Kuffar to be superior to muslims in all things!???
the suicide bomb vest was invented by Tamils (Tamil Tigers)
dzul you are a coward. Any male who beats a female is a foolish coward. They are not men, just mice. You and you kind make me sick. You are not even worth the pig shit on the sole of my shoes!!! Me dog even hates you. You and your kind think you are so mighty and strong just because you can beat a Woman into submission, I see that as a chicken shit coward who should be hung.
Oh and Merry Christmas dzul.
Gotta agree Keith! Any man who would beat a woman or child is lower than dung!
It makes me sick when I see news stories and it’s about a child that has been beaten nearly to death. Then you see the one who did it lie about it, of course they end up getting caught. Prison time is too good for them.
The western world including USA & Canada have only got themselves to blame for a situation you have got yourselves into, with these Islamic peoples,that have caused a great unbalance with the true trusted peoples that uphold the laws of your state or Countries you reside in,for you have imposed on them a Islamic religion that can be corrupted by Satanic peoples to kill and murder your Family’s and then when or if you catch them you keep them and feed them at your expense for as long as they live, for slaughtering you, are we all Mad.
ISLAM IS ANATHEMA!
islam is from the Devil Shaitan!
How insane: these criminals are getting away with crimes in order not to upset their fcuking CLANS???
“But more local communities are learning that Family Court can provide orders of protection and other services through civil dispositions that can assist troubled families without leaving a criminal conviction on an immigrant’s record.
“The word is getting out in domestic violence cases that you can get relief without pressing charges,” Rodwin said.” Great! So no one knows what they have done. The next time they do it, there will be no evidence!
No way, this is two tier justice: this IS sharia!!
Yep! Ya got that right. However there are states where the abused is not tested with filing charges against the abuser. Once a call is made on domestic violence and proven, the state steps in and the state is the one to file charges! That way when the abused becomes fearful and/or further threatened, they cannot stop the charges from being filed! AT least it was that way and I don’t believe it has been challenedged by sharia…yet!
All the more reason to demand accountability not only of the criminal but from the judges! Domestic violence laws are improving in favor of the abused around the country. The people in each state need to stand up, speak out and demand laws of justice for the abused and laws of severe penalties for the abuser! Shalom!
well there we have it, creeping, Muslims have invented?? zippo! but they’re perfect in the art of victimhood, taqqiya, and hijacking other cultures,
Kind of sounds like our so called Pres obama. He whines allot and acts the part of the victim.
[...] This is a story I might have missed if it weren’t for Creeping Sharia, here. [...]
It’s a slippery slope when a “special” collaboration between community and courts is set up. It a step away from sharia. We would all be wise to keep an eye on this.
ALL immigrants should be made aware of all laws that may conflict with their culture BEFORE they are allowed into the country. End of community/court collaboration. Just follow the laws of the country or go to jail. No hand holding, no room to lie & wiggle out of the issue.
Happens every day in Utah and Arizona, where special consideration is given to polygamous men. The judge says, “He’s got a job, property and an education, so I’m giving him the kids”. They are then sent back to be raised by his remaining concubines and she is left with nothing while the other women learn they better not leave polygamy, or they will lose their children too.
If we leave a bunch of creepy white men in Utah and Arizona alone for breaking federal laws, why should we expect the laws on immigrants to be upheld?
Check out this flier: http://tripleap.blogspot.com/2009_06_01_archive.html
That’s the state’s TOP law enforcement officer, facilitating the crime of polygamy on our tax dollar.
If we’re being culturally sensitive to abusive tribal practices with blond haired blue eyed people in the American west, what makes you think they won’t do the same thing with immigrants?
I guess the question is , why are you being culturally sensitive to polygamists and what are you going to do about i? This article is about immigrants.
This article is about people who believe their religious or cultural traditions are above US law.
My point is that by ignoring the major breech in law perpetrated by US polygamists, the door to sharia is being left wide open. Their argument is that their religion/culture is more important than the law…and it AIN’T.
You can keep ignoring the connection if you like but it won’t make it go away. The subjugation of women is absolutely necessary for every cult and every tyrant. Just ask the women in Afghanistan.
Obviously the plight of the human and Constitutional rights of US women and children is low on your list of interests.
Boots…The plight of women and children is not low on my list and I have said nothing of that nature.
I think it’s important to differentiate between islamic religious law (sharia) & everything else.
There may be many connections like polygamy, cults etc. but we must not muddy the waters when fighting sharia, our way of life is at stake.
The fact that you consider this “muddying the waters” speaks volumes.
This is not about muddying the water but about identifying where we as a people have left giant glaring holes in our own ability to protect ourselves from the spread of Sharia law.
It’s called the big picture, and obviously you can’t see it.
That’s okay, I have people, including ex-jihadist who can. They completely understand how supporting a culture of abuse by our own native citizens opens the door WIDE for immigrants to follow.
A couple of months ago I was asked to collaborate with a friend who was asked by a Phoenix TV station to write a 500 word essay on why polygamy should be prosecuted. We wrote it and submitted ours on time.
The person who was asked to write the 500 word essay on why polygamy should NOT be prosecuted backed out at the last minute [after reading ours I'm sure] and decided not to participate.
Do you have any idea who that was? It was the Attorney General for the state of Arizona, Terri Goddard, who was running for Governor [D] of Arizona against Jan Brewer.. Here is the explanation we received from the producer:
Thank you so much for your essay.
Attorney General Terry Goddard pulled out of being the opposing view in our online debate due to his busy election campaign and now defeat.
I will let you know when the article will post on our website.
I’m sure he was shocked to see that our argument revolved not around the dangers of fundamentalist Mormon polygamy [which are horrible] but on Muslim polygamy and the dangers it presents to all freedom loving Americans if the crime continues to be ignored.
You don’t have to get it. We’ll do just fine without you.
Even though I don’t like your arrogant tone I will reply one last time.
I do see the big picture but before others can see the “big picture” , they must become familiar with the stealth jihad insertion of sharia into our daily lives and the normal, everyday picture of sharia. I don’t think muddying polygamist cults with polygamist sharia helps them understand islam.
I do get it and I’m glad you’ll do fine without me because my focus is islam and nothing else at this moment. And if I was going to focus on something that I thought was a threat to us and a benefit to islam it wouldn’t be polygamy it would be the power elite of the US and how to de-throne them.
Good luck with your focus, your polygamy battle. And please never assume you know what I think or what I support.
BTW I believe that we are all in a struggle against islam, not members of our own group who have a different focus on the same subject. In other words, we should always do our best to support each other in the counter-jihad instead of arguing semantics.
It is good to be supportive of the rights of women or children of any culture, but one has to be wary of supporting any alien abusive culture that might be using their subtlely abusive women and children to spread a totalitarian system around the world.
Can’t disagree with that.
Hi Boots! You are back.
You can drop me a note through the email I have shown here, as I can’t be posting to long posts for complicated matters, as CS is not my personal blog.
I extend this invitation to others too—to write to me in case there may be sensitive things we need to talk about.
God bless!
Mr Oh Tham Eng
Their abusive problems or tendencies should be sorted within their own community or with
their own self. Those islamics who bragged so much about their socalled humanity should sort their own problems, just as we, nonbelievers have to sort our own problems without any help from them. It is unfair of them to inflict their abusive tendencies on other more peaceful and more advanced civilisations, who are less discriminatory and have less behavioural problems.
Isn’t it better they sort out their own cultural
behavioural problems before migrating (to anywhere else) with their problem ridden community that support such backward ideology according to their whims and fancies?
It is unfair that those islamic women were given so much publicity and so much help while many of us nonbelievers who have no organisation to go to, have to suffer alone in silence without any help or any publicity.
@WLIL…not sure where you live, but there is great assistance in the US, in every state and just about every town/city. One only needs to call for assistance. There is help available with everything from immediate shelter to courtroom victim’s assistance.
National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-SAFE (7233) or 1-800-787-3224 (TTY) available 24 hours a day/7 days a week.
National Child Abuse Hotline 1-800-422-4453
National Sexual Assault Hotline: 1-800-656-HOPE (4673) available 24/7 for the nearest rape crisis center.
National Stalking Resource Center: 1-800-FYI-CALL (1-800-394-2255) M-F 8:30 AM – 8:30 PM EST or email gethelp@ncvc.org.
National Teen Dating Abuse Helpline: 1-866-331-9474 (1-866-331-8453 TTY) available 24/7 or connect with a trained Peer Advocate online at http://www.loveisrespect.org from 4 p.m. to 2 a.m. daily (CST).
That’s all well and good. The problem comes when these women do seek help, they often end up in HELL anyway: http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-father-shoots-three-children-story,0,7132460.story
I wrote to the Muslim DV shelter in Houston after this happened, to offer my prayers, condolences and support if they needed it.
No reply.
I have a question. Who was the “other woman” who ran from the house screaming, who was there to “help care for the children”? Was she an immediate relative of Mr. Goher? Most Muslims won’t be alone with a woman unless she is related, but the article didn’t say…
Could she have been a fresh new concubine…and maybe Mrs. Goher wasn’t taking it very well? Will we ever know?
@WLIL…You stated: “… while many of us nonbelievers who have no organisation to go to, have to suffer alone in silence without any help or any publicity.”
My response with the hotline numbers was to your statement that sounded like the average non-muslim has to suffer alone without help. Which is clearly not factual!
However with your later comment regarding the muslim shelter in Houston sums up perfectly the need for education and assistance for the muslim women to understand their rights in this country and their options to avoid further domestic violence assaults!
If a muslim woman, especially one immigrating to this country, is unaware that she does not have to accept abuse and that she has options, then special training, etc should be provided.
Now where does the funding come from for this? Obviously cair is not the number one choice, but should be required to provide funding. However through that choice, the women would lose all safety because of the knowledge of cair members who do support sharia and the rights to beat women or children and/or kill them.
So just as important is to arrest, hold, prosecute, and put away all perps intent on abusing, even threatening, their wives, sisters, daughters, nieces, etc.
As is the case with American women, a choice has to be made: stop the abuse by changing living arrangements, etc or go back into the same abusive situation, thru the honeymoon cycle and then receive the same abuses over and over and over!
If we are going to help these women, then education specific to their cultural mores is a must; just as it is when working with abused Native Americans or the Mexican culture, etc. All cutures have specific issues regarding domestic violence that may, at times, prevent our assisting them adequately!
As for not receiving a reply from the houston facility, it is not the norm to respond as any info released at all, can put the women in danger from any number of circumstances!
Fact : I am living in a backward unhelpful asian country (with predominantly discriminatory islamic culture ) and I do feel very alone in my nonbelief. There may be a large minority who are nonislamics, but many of them had been influenced by islamics and were only interested in making money. There may be some nonislamic asian community that may be able to help but very limited choice.
That is why I was trying to say that muslims seems to get all the help that they can get in a nonislamic majority country but poor nonbeliever minority like myself, would have problem getting any tiny help in a muslim majority country.
If their whatever religon or ideology don’t condone violence, then they should stop their acts of violence and intimidation in the name of their god.
Those manipulative islamic men and islamic women and their community, who caused so much misery to the world, with their extremely selfish islamic agenda have no right to teach us, nonbelievers anything.
INVITING DZUL TO SHOW FAITH IN THE GOODNESS FROM HIS QURAN
Dzul, you don’t seem to have faith in the goodness in your Quran, except for its wrong or bad teachings; or childish stuff like what you posted here. Can you stop posting childish things about your Quran, and create bad impressions of Muslim people—to show how childish you people are.
Join me, will you, to show faith and promote the goodness of your Quran to your own benighted people, such as Fusilat 41:34 or Al-Baqarah 2:256, or the transcendentally beautiful Prayer of Prophet Suleiman.
Or are you going to join the islamsts and slam me for promoting their so-called “satanic verses” like these?:
“There is no compulsion in religion. Truth now stands distinct from error.”Al-Baqarah 2:256.
“Repel evil with good, and he who is your enemy will become your intimate friends.” Fusilat 41:34
“Inspire me, Lord, to be thankful to Thee for thy fvours to me and my loved ones to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous.” An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in God’s sight is he who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13.
Look here, and see how childish you are, Dzul!
{dzul, on December 13, 2010 at 1:42 PM said:
ISLAM TAUGHT YOU ABOUT THE TIME , and much more
AS YOU CAN READ IN Al’quran briefly
MOON PHASE
MOON REVOLVES AROUND EARTH FOR A MONTH ( in between 29 days or 30 days )
7 DAYS IN A WEEK
12 MONTHS IN A YEAR
Dzul, the above post is from me, Oh Tham Eng
How can they be culturally isolated when they have such a big islamic community in the western world pandering to their every whims and fancies?
It seems like those islamics get all the help that they can get from the western world and then terrorise the western world that gave them so much wealth and knowledge.
THAT’S THE TROUBLE WITHTHOSE UNGRATEFUL MUSLIMS. SO WE MUST ADOPT A BOLD AND HOLISTIC APPROACH, DUDE!
That is why I am suggesting both the spiritual and the political approach. The political approach only will be far too mesy, and will end up with everyone being bad losers.
But the Spiritual Approach is ideal. Then we can pitch to the honest and sincere Muslims that they will gain/win with us too if we win the battle against shariazation, as we are for the promotion of the goodness in their Quran and Islam too, wthout its badness and errors.
So they must join us to promote those Quranic goodness and beauty. If they still want to criticise us and are reluctant to do their part to promote the Quranic goodness to their own reluctant and mindless Muslim people, they are behaving like upside-down people too.
In which case, we will still be fighting and winning the battles for their good too, even if they just want to keep by the sideline and not doing anything to help out.
Our driving force is Philippians 4:8, John 13:34-35, 1John 4:16-21, the Prayer of Prophet Suleiman and Fusilat 41:34, etc, etc. So we can’t be losing as we are wielding the Long Swords of ISLAM, while our common enemies are flourishing their short, little daggers of islam.
So can you see the simplicity of my win-win strategy, “WLIL”?
Are you trying to invent the Islamo-”Christian”.?
You quote BOTH the Quaran and the Bible.
“You are either for us or against us”-George W. Bush
NO LAH! TRYING TO POPULARISE PHILIPPIANS 4:8
We need Paul’s wisdom to show us the way and help us sort out the messy battles with Islamism.
That is how I could “Float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee!” Join me?
if you think Philippians 4:8 is Islamo-Christianity, then you are manifesting a very shallow knowledge of the Bible. No wonder you are in darkness and reacting so viscerally! Be wise, my brother!
I say one more time: “islam is of the Devil!” Can anything of the devil be Christianity? or Christian?
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{Robert Laity, on December 15, 2010 at 2:54 PM said:
Are you trying to invent the Islamo-”Christian”.?
You quote BOTH the Quaran and the Bible.
“You are either for us or against us”-George W. Bush}
They are culturally isolated because their culture and religion are useless in a modern society. All Islam has, in modernity, is dreams of conquest. The only way it will ever realize them is to steal Western tools and technology, dream they created it, and off they go on the conquest.
ISLAMIC CONQUESTS IS THE LEAST OF MY WORRIES
If islamists can then usher in an age of ISLAMIC enlightenment, justicce, progess, freedom and prosperity for all. What many of us worry a lot is the kind of islamic dysfunctionality, unmitigated violence, intolerance, irrationality, oppression of people (and especially of the women), and perpetual beightedness that become imported and grafted onto free society.
For God’s sake, should we not have a loud say that we do not want retrogression of and for our society and nations towards humanity’s activistic state, ancient barbarity, perpetual benightedness and systemic dysfunctionality that have come to characterise islam and all islamic societies?
Correction
atavistic state”, not “activistic state” as in
“…should we not have a loud say that we do not want retrogression of and for our society and nations towards humanity’s atavistic state, ancient barbarity, perpetual benightedness and systemic dysfunctionality that have come to characterise islam and all islamic societies?”
Do you see the folly of the Western world in tolerating our mortal enemy Islam?
ROBERTLAITY IS RIGHT AGAIN
You are right again, dude. It is the West’s folly. They better wake up in time! And time is running out for them
I lay the blame primarily on the militant anti-Christian liberals/atheists who are in strange cahoots with the rabidly anti-Christian Islamism.
Read what I wrote on Nazism and Islamism sharing the same values and enemies in CS’s other thread..
Without the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 our courts would not be jammed with these cases. There may be time to save the nation.
Repeal the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
That law is necessary in order to define who is a Citizen of the USA. It has been amended several time. It need not be repealed but amended.
THE CORRECT STRATEGY FOR COMBATTING THE FAST RISING EVIL TIDE OF ISLAMISM: THE LONG SWORDS OF ISLAM VERSUS islam’s SHORT, LITTLE DAGGERS
Those in ALLAH’s party employ the goodness and beauty in the Muslims’ Quran and Hadiths; they are said to be wielding the Long Swords of ISLAM. Those who only know how to use the evil and wrong teachings therein are said to be flashing their short, little daggers of islam.
The outcome of thi ancient battle can be clearly seen in how this craven and mindless allah’s agent Dzul scurried away to hide from my open challenge and invitation to him to join me to show faith in the goodness inside their Quran and Hadiths; and in his reluctance to teach such goodness and beauty to his mindless and pathetically ignorant Muslim people what they should know already, but are not.
Experts in this field of spiritual warfare do agree with this approach as being the wisest strategy to adopt. So the use of the goodness in the Quran and the Hadiths as weapons against Islamic terrorism must no longer be denigrated.
“The only force that can challenge Islamic terrorism is Islam itself,” wrote Phillip Blond, senior lecturer in Philosophy and Religion in the University of Cumbria, together with Adrian Pabst, lecturer in Theology, University of Nottingham.
So instead of engaging in an endless trading of insults with Islamists, which we will lose anyway as they are grandmasters in this evil art of slanders, insults and lying, I opted to offer this better strategy to Pastor Terry Jones in my open letter to him dated 8 September 2010:
“Pastor Jones: We need to show Muslims how those Quranic goodness can be applied to solving society’s many difficult problems, instead of them often looking to their Quran for inspiration to create never-ending troubles and evil for themselves and for others. I am pleased to tell you that this is what I have been successfully doing in Singapore — — sharing and using Quranic goodness to help other people solve their difficult problems (though I am a Christian, and not a Muslim).
The big problem with Muslims is, most of them are so ignorant and unnecessarily paranoid and violent as they think their Quran and Islam are only good for making themselves backward and for energising them to acts of great evil; and towards backwardness and benightedness. That is why many of them are still so determined in wanting to even mass-slaughter more of their own innocent Muslim children, women and vulnerable men in never-ending suicide bombings, such as in flood-ravaged Pakistan, instead of helping their fellow stricken Muslims cope with the present disasters from the humongous floods they believe are “acts of God”—for their [allah's] false promises of the eternally free sex with many voluptuous paradise virgins after their suicide bombings. Shocking, isn’t it?
So showing Muslims our knowledge and clear understanding of the goodness in their Quran and Islam would be a far better way of combating the existential threats pose by world-wide Islamism than burning copies of their Quran….”
(From my open letter to Pastor Terry Jones date 8 Septembe, 2010, paras15 & 16 accessible at: http://www.haitinews.net/story/694874
You are obamanesque claiming to be a “Christian” and espousing the “good[nesss]” of the Q’uaran.
Christians do NOT defend Islam offering justification for it in any way, shape or form.
So Robert, you are against supporting Muslims like Dr. Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser and his organization the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, too?
http://www.aifdemocracy.org/
he will be on Bill Reilly’s show tonight, btw.
While no one in the White House does, I think this man deserves our attention and support.
As for Oh Tham, I think it is very difficult for any of us to say what we would do, or how we might operate, if we found ourselves the minority within a Muslim majority in our own country.
I do applaud the efforts of groups like Acts 17 who seek to bring a change of heart in individual Muslims. People like Walid Shoebat and Nonie Darwish are living proof that evangelism can be an effective tool for addressing hate and changing hearts.
Jasser is a Hypocrite. If he really supported Democracy, something that is diametrically opposed to Islam,he would not claim to be a Muslim.He would DENOUNCE Islam completely and shed it.
DIVINE JUDGMENT WILL HAVE TO START FROM GOD’S PEOPLE FIRST FOR THEIR INFIDELITY
Try not to be too hasty in passing judgment, Robert. Man ought to pray and not lose heart so easily, and resort to passing udgement on others so frivolously.
God has His timing! He has to punish Americans first for the Americans’ infidelity and flirtation with the devil and his agents..
Oh Tham, Islam is the work of “the devil”
Ya, islam is the work of the Devil!
But without the ISLAM of Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23 and that of Prophet Suleiman (in An-Naml 27:19), Christians will go to hell.
I CAN WRITE “islam IS OF THE DEVIL!” AND STILL SURVIVING
Thanks, Boots, for your understanding. Mindlessness and visceral responses are not the correct way to combat the evil and fast rising tide of Islamism. Wisdom and a steady faith in God is.
In SIngapore, I can’t be going around writing what Robert Laity loves getting people to join him doing: that “There is no goodness in the Quran! Islam is of the devil! “, and expect no reaction from the police here.
But I can write “islam is of the Devil!” and still surviving!
Our God is a Wise, Intelligent Being, Who loves to operate with His intelligent people; not operate with mindless and stupid followers like what allah loves doing.
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{Boots, on December 15, 2010 at 3:01 PM said:
So Robert, you are against supporting Muslims like Dr. Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser and his organization the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, too?…
As for Oh Tham Eng, I think it is very difficult for any of us to say what we would do, or how we might operate, if we found ourselves the minority within a Muslim majority in our own country….}
The most effect way in dealing with these ongoing problems is to deal with It; on a fast boat to there Eastern lands of camels & palm trees let Allah provide for them for Mohammed takes care of the believers.
And the good Lords will take care of us infidels or Sinners for that what they proclaim us to be, for Allah has spoken,so please take him back to Mecca and leave yourself there.
If you dont have the right leaders in all sections of society you will be overrun by those that are not of your culture. and alien to the Christian way of live.
I like the idea A R Thompson! Those who wish to have sharia law or insist on abusing our laws, women, children, or anyone, need to be put on a boat back to the middle east! I’ll even pitch in a share of $$ for their fares back to sharia land. Period!
And yes, I believe YHVH God will take care of His believers and will have the last word/action against all who deny Him!
You are correct again that the right leaders in all sections of society must be willing to maintain our constitution and U.S. laws on the federal and the state and local courts vs incorporating sharia into our laws. When that happens anymore than it already has, then we will have lost the battle and the war! Shalom!
Islam contradicts Judaism and Christianity,calls the Bible “the previous verses” or in Islamic terms superceeded by the Q’uaran:
http://www.allaboutreligion.org/origin-of-islam.htm
Good that you are also mentioning the Bible, Mr Robert Laity. “What is that?”
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{Robert Laity, on December 15, 2010 at 2:36 PM said:
……You [Oh Tham Eng] keep quoting the Bible. Why is that?}
{I’m Amazed!, on December 14, 2010 at 9:13 AM said: …..
@whenpigsfly…Obviously you and many others do not care! And that certainly is your choice. I however do care and have learned adding fuel to fire does nothing but increase the heat and flames. Hate begets hate and brings no positive end for anyone!…}
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SIMPLIFYING THE BEST STRATEGY AGAINST THE FAST RISING TIDE OF ISLAMISM
Agree with “I’m Amazed”. Pure and mindless hatred through mutual insults will not accomplish anything. See how I am dealing with that upside-down and death-threatening islamist Dzul! He has seemingly run away from me just because I am inviting him to join me to show and promote faith in the goodness of his Quran and Hadiths to his own Muslim people.
So I have proven and shown up to all of you what the real big problem with Muslims really is—their mindlessness and refusal to develop faith in the goodness of their Qruan. They only want to learn how to be backward, to hate, to fabricate slanders and lies against us and other manners of evil from the wrong and bad teachings in islam’s holy books.
So I am simplifying the best strategy to combat the evil ideology in islamism: define the battle as we are fighting them as “ALLAH versus allah”; “ISLAM versus islam”; “our faith in the goodness in their Quran versus their faith in the wrong teachings therein”; etc.
That is how I have won every of my encounters with the islamists, have walloped their extreme silliness in robust open debates, and have disabled their ability to return fire. And hopefully, they will be more receptive to the workings of God’s Spirit in their hearts to allow for light to finally shine into their darken minds.
So our fight with them should be holistic—politically as well as spiritually (which may involve us helping them in their lives should they need us to help them). Then God will be with us.
With God’s help, we can easily prevail over their Sharia Laws and be able to rally all concerned Americans to our side to stop their dreadful Sharia Laws from being established in America to help them to import into America their islamic dysfunctionality, backwardness, violence, benightedness; and the never-ending ability of Sharia Laws to create never-ending problems for themselves and for us.
Otherwise, this islamic virus is very, very dificult to detoxify and rid off.
“If God is with us, who can be against us?” Romans 8:31.
There is NO “goodness in the Q’uaran”. You keep quoting the Bible. Why is that?
DUDE, DON’T FOLLOW WHAT MARYLAND ALIYA SOBOLEVSKEIY UNWISELY DID. OR ONE DAY YOU WILL END UP IN JAIL TOO!
Then you are indeed doing the work of the devil too! And equally benighted and mindless! Read 2 Corinthians 11:14, Mark 3:11, Acts 16:17.
And read what I wrote to Pastor Terry Jones. Satan has no goodness. What he has come from God who is the Source of all goodness. He stole them from God and misrepresented them as his. But I will take it anyway. Read Philippians 4:8.
Same with us. We have no goodness. All the godness came from God. He either gives to us freely, and through the precious Blood of His dear son Jesus. Or our goodness is borrowed from God; and as the scriptures say, God is waiting to collect from us the returns/yield. Matthew 25.
Now you can goto the following website to read my open letter to Pator terry Jones dated September 8, 2010: http://www.haitinews.net/story/694874
“Inspire me, Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to me and my loved ones to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous.” An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in God’s sight is he who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujuar 49:13.
“For there is no compulsion in religion. Truth now stands distinct from error.” Al-Baqarah 2:256.
“Repel evil with good, and he who is your enemy will become your intimate friend.” Fusilat 41:34.
But if you say that Mohammed had abrogated these good Quranic verses with his later revelations, then you are changing our debate here. This is what I had debated and defeated the beinghted Muslims and will contnue to do so.
When I could, I will be telling the Muslims that “It is allah who is trying to delete the Quranic goodness of ALLAH from their Quran, to mislead the Muslims. So you upside-down Muslims need to wake up and join me to show faith in the goodness in your Quran. And stop showing so much faith in the badness and wrong teachings therein.”
But Brother Robert Laity, if you want to go to jail in Singapore as Aliya Sobolevskeiy, 25, did in Maryland, then you can come over to Singapore to do what Aliya Sobolevskeiy did in Maryland! And he got 1 year of jail sentence recently, dude!
Who is Aliya…?
You refer separately to “Allah”and “allah”. You call “allah” the devil.
LOOK UP CS’s ARCHIVES FOR HIS CASE, DUDE
Aliya ia a naturalised American who was recently charged in an American federal court for hate crime for saying Islam is totally evil, so must be eradicated. I was surprised when I read in CS’s report that he was covicted and jailed for one year, when here in Singapore, the worst case like that was only 2 months. LOL!
So Mr Robert Laity, please do be very careful with what you are saying and writing, as I do not wish you to be the second case of Aliya Sobolevskeiy, 25, of Maryland. You may want to look up CS’s recent archives for ALiya Sobolevskeiy’s case.
God bless!
Obviously, these people should never been permitted to enter the US to begin with. As I have maintained, our immigration laws, both in Canada and the US must change. They will never be able to assimilate. Stop islamic immigration now! If you break the law, you go to jail and hopefully get deported. It is not for us to accomodate these culturally and religiously barbaric people.
Ya. This is one way to keep pushing for, till November 2012.
What do you expect will happen in November,2012?
Let’s help to kick out Obama as he is a feckless leader. he is afraid even to say the Name of God of the American pilgrim fathers.
Shame!
KC, I would love to take credit for the following observation but it came from one of my anti-polygamy organization’s strongest supporters, who also happens to be a Buffalo resident.
The part that blows my mind is: “But more local communities are learning that Family Court can provide orders of protection and other services through civil dispositions that can assist troubled families without leaving a criminal conviction on an immigrant’s record.”
1. Orders of protection are useless. The woman beheaded in Orchard Park, NY (suburb of Buffalo) by her husband had an order of protection.
2. If you were in a bar and someone clocked you over the head you’d rightly expect that person to be charged with assault. Why should it be different if it is an act of domestic violence?
3. The victim of an honor killing isn’t just the woman murdered, it’s every other woman who gets the message that if she acts out she’ll be killed. In that sense, domestic violence is as pure a form of hate crime as one could want.
4. Anything short of a strong public response leaves the sense that this is acceptable behavior.
Well stated, Boots!
She did a great job, didn’t she. But she also gets the big picture I was talking about.
Unlike Mormon fundamentalist women, Muslim women are actually more likely to fight the abuses of polygamy but it definitely depends on how afraid they are of being deported if they make a report.
Most Muslim women who are well assimilated and have obtained permanent residency or citizenship are not afraid to come forward with a bigamy charge and they usually end up with everything. See this post: So She called Her Imam http://tripleap.blogspot.com/2010/11/so-she-called-her-imam.html
Those, however, who are not well integrated or assimilated, and who are dependent on their abuser’s visa to stay here will keep quiet, just like the Mormon fundamentalists do.
Another thing folks are missing is that since polygamy is allowed under Sharia, where you find Muslim polygamy being practiced you will inevitably find Jihad as well.
Did anyone pick up on the fact that the wannabe NY Times Square bomber was previously reported to authorities by BOTH of his “wives”?
But I guess the feds just considered that a silly old domestic issue so they ignored both of them… FOOLS!
The whole point is that American secular law must be enforced. We do not tolerate familial or community violence. We do not believe that violence is any way to impose informal authority. And we’ll back it up.
That is what the message has to be. It is the culturally sensitive thing to do.
Meaning, it is honest.
Thanks EIB, one would think so. That is not the case in Utah and Arizona, however, because the AG’s of both states have come right out and said they will not prosecute the felony crime of polygamy.
The FLDS and other fundamentalist groups are running operational theocracies within our borders, claiming that the law of Joseph Smith is higher than the US law…and Mark Shurtleff [UT AG] and Terri Goddard [AZ AG] are in the bag for them.
The best solution might be to send all our Muslim felons to Utah and Arizona, where they will be much more comfortable with the promise of no prosecution for their crimes.
Another point is why is it that many of their islamic women is exploiting their problem and wanting to promote their socalled religious ideology/sharia at the same time when it suits them? They want to end up with everything and then terrorise us nonbelievers who have nothing?
And I am not surprise either if these culturally insensitive islamic women from a proud arrogant intolerant culture seems to be more interested in promoting their various islamic political agenda than solving their polygamous or domestic violence problems.
WLIL,
I don’t believe in “being afraid”. I believe in being absolutely committed to being pro-active. That means keeping our eyes open and reporting crime when we find it and standing up for both ourselves and our LAW in court.
I don’t believe that it is “too late.”
These women have been raised in a cult, plain and simple. There is not much difference in the CareBear colored mothers of the FLDS nodding their heads and smiling like zombies for Larry King Live, or the Muslim women who spout off about it being “their right” to humiliate and subjugate themselves to abuse.
If you are raised with something, you believe it.
That’s why society has laws designed to build and support the kind of civilization it wants.
My kind of civilization is simple. I want the Constitution of my country to be the plumb-line by which life [daily freedom to pursue happiness] in my world is measured, and NOT Joseph Smith’s law or Mohammed’s law.
The Constitution of the United States of America should be civil life’s full public measure. It doesn’t need anything else.
We do these poor people no favors when we allow them to form groups which adopt extracurricular religious and cultural laws. All we do is doom their women and children.
In an immigrant’s case, if they don’t want to be protected by the law, then they should leave.
In a religious cult you simply prosecute them for the behavior that is criminally unconstitutional until they stop it.
We should not be obligated to absorb any group that will never absorb FREEDOM….. because they will never be anything but an enemy of the Constitution and of freedom.
The news here isn’t that we are doomed. The news is the war is here, much closer than we ever thought, and it’s time to wake up and defend our Constitution, again.
This responsibility does fall on some generation’s shoulders, and not on others, you know.
We can consider ourselves either blessed or cursed but we do indeed live in interesting times.
{Boots, on December 14, 2010 at 7:13 PM said:…..
My kind of civilization is simple. I want the Constitution of my country to be the plumb-line by which life [daily freedom to pursue happiness] in my world is measured, and NOT Joseph Smith’s law or Mohammed’s law.
The Constitution of the United States of America should be civil life’s full public measure. It doesn’t need anything else….
In an immigrant’s case, if they don’t want to be protected by the law, then they should leave.
In a religious cult you simply prosecute them for the behavior that is criminally unconstitutional until they stop it…..}
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WELL SAID, BOOTS—-THEY MUST LEAVE AMERICA IF THEY REFUSE TO BE PROTECTED BY AMERICAN LAWS
I agree with “eib” too. American secular law must be firmly ebofrced
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{eib, on December 14, 2010 at 1:41 PM said:
The whole point is that American secular law must be enforced. We do not tolerate familial or community violence. We do not believe that violence is any way to impose informal authority. And we’ll back it up…}
That is what the message has to be. It is the culturally sensitive thing to do.
Any official that refuses to prosecute crime is a Misprisioner and guilty of crime himself. Misprision of Felony is a federal offense.
Would you allow RATS to enter your house?
You are right. I won’t.
but what can we do without political pwers now?
We got to be patient and do things one at a time. Help to organise our people; maybe go for protest marches; and help to get some of the cases go to court to highlight the grave dangers America is facing, dude.
Today is Human Rights Day. Fight for rights and NOT oppression.
Right! Do what you can to help out, and not to mess things up, Robert!
Culture shock?
I have no sympathy. If they cannot deal with their continual violations of the rule of American secular law they can just go back to where they came from.
They WANT to increase their population numbers HERE so that Dar-el-Saalam can be achieved in the entire world. The USA is thye last bastion of “infidels” and they WANT it! Deport them? They must be STOPPED from coming in. Have you noticed all the mosques going up in Buffalo,even inside neighborhoods that used to be filled with christians and Jews? Mosques in the suburbs and on Sobieski Street,with barbed wire on it?Have you taken heed of all the corner stores run by Muslims and the fact that some of them operate as gun runners? A muslim store in every neighborhood. Mosques going up everywhere. Could it be that these stores,mosques and other activities are being set up as satellite Jihad centers? You bet!
Our courts are already overloaded with our own domestic violence issues- as pointed out often totally inadequate to address the nature of the crime- HOWEVER- there is NO REASON AT ALL FOR USA TO BE ALLOWING ANY IMMIGRANTS like these- why do we need uneducated violent idiots who HATE OUR way of life- have no wish to become Americans and will never try – If we take immigrants from anyplace they should have money to live on here (not taking our tax dollars to live on with mutiltude of kids)- and GOOD CHARACTER (CHECKED OUT BY REFERENCES) EDUCATION OR SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE!!! LIKE OTHER NATIONS WHO ACCEPT IMMIGRANTS (see Mexico law for instance) One thing we surely do not needis MORE ISALM mosques or people- we do not need more poor and ignorant people of any religion or ethnicity- OBma says we are jusat average and so we can no longer try to be everything to everyone inthis world- thisis OUR COUNTRY and ofur govt FIRST priority is US the people already here, voters and taxpayers, native born here citizens
non citizens whomake ANY trouble t all -DEPORT IMMEDIATELY no questions asked-
DREAM ACT- VOTE NO- there are universtiies in other countries- kids come here at age 14 from Brazil is a Brazilian-he is NOT ENTITLED to any RIGHT to college- when so many citizens cannot afford same for their kids- go home with your illegal momma and daddy- time to SHUT THE DAMN DOOR USA
It’s a shame that our country has become this way, and you are absolutely correct, Isahiah62! Our immigration policies need revamping and considering what Muslims and sharia are doing in other countries, we should block any further immigration at this point…from anywhere! And I would no more believe a “reference” coming from sharia countries than I would believe pigs are purple and fly! Our borders need to be secured!
I can’t resist this,since you mentioned Pigs flying.
It was once said that when a Muslim,Arab White fake President was elected that pigs would fly. Sure enough. When Obama was elected Swine Flu.
That “time” started long ago. Islam is our MORTAL ENEMY.
GOD IS STILL ON THE THRONE, BROTHER!
And islam is of the Devil Shaitan!
But what can you and I do, unless we start to help organise the forces for Good against Evil that is fast sweeping over America and the free world.
So we need workable, wise and effective ideas and strategies, plus long-term planning; not bigotry or getting freak up so easily, like what you are manifesting.
Be steady, brother Robert Laity! “If God is with us, who can be against us?” Roman 8:31.
The trojans had to use a wooden horse. We have our gates WIDE OPEN. Obama. “the keeper of the gate” is waving them IN.
{Boots, on December 14, 2010 at 12:41 PM said:…..
Another thing folks are missing is that since polygamy is allowed under Sharia, where you find Muslim polygamy being practiced you will inevitably find Jihad as well.
Did anyone pick up on the fact that the wannabe NY Times Square bomber was previously reported to authorities by BOTH of his “wives”?
But I guess the feds ,,,,}
UPHOLDING AND ENFORCING OF AMERICAN LAWS AGAINST POLYGAMY WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO COMBAT the relentless SHArIAZATION OF AMERICA
Good posts, “Boots”.
Why should Mormons be disallowed their polygamous theology, but Muslims are allowed it, under the discredited multi-culturalism? Or the rights of minorities to practice their sordid and antiquated culture or religion/religious practices?
Muslims are a “Minorit[y]” and their asses are kissed gently while they pray,by Dhimmis Bloomberg,Goldberg and others.
BTW, “Caliph” Obama is a Radical Muslim supremacist.
Robert.. its true about Obama ,He IS a Radical Muslim Supremacist, he supported the muslim backed Sharia promoting ODINGA in his bloody attempt to be elected which Odinga lost. but STILL won!!They gave him joint power because that was the only way the muslims ( 10 % mind you, of the population) would stop the violence! What absolutely astounds me is why the American MEDIA, whose job it is to inform their people of truth and FACTS, have not said ONE WORD!!
Obama can be executed if convicted of treason. Giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the USA.
Raila Odinga IS an enemy of the USA. That makes Obama an enemy of the USA.
See 18USC,Part 1,Chapter 115,Sec.2381
Why don’t we ask Margaret Sullivan why the Buffalo News has ignored these facts. She wouldn’t even let me up into her Newsroom.
THE TRUTH IS,TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR US AS WELL AS FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS AGENTS
Anne, that is why we do not have much time to get organise and sound the alarm to wake up every American who loves God and America. The devil and his agents knew long ago that their time was running out. That’s why they are putting such a stiff resistance, as the pressures are building up on them.
But we still have to get organised, and God will give us the victory!
Now, we must utilise the immense power of Internet to spread our message and get the masses out to be in time for the big day November 2012.
“Fear not! They who are with us are more than they who are with the enemies.” 2Kings 6:16.
“If God is with us, who can be against us?” Romans 8:31
Oh Tham Eng. YES!! .it is true that time is running out. Jesus Himself said that in the last days there would be much trouble before “that man of sin be revealed” the Anti Christ. He also said these times would be brought QUICKLY to a close “like the birth pangs of a woman in labor” As you know, Birth comes slowly at first, then in a succession of pains coming closely together, then with relentless speed until the birth ( the coming of Jesus).. This world in the last even five years has changed so dramatically, Islam is waging Jihad in every part of the world, this is the power that “BEHEADS those for the witness of Jesus and The Word of God( Bible)…Revelation 20:4.. We must do what we can, with a brave and trusting heart, because we KNOW that God is in control, He has told us this in His Word, and the ultimate battle is HIS!! we must be good and faithful servants in the meantime, as we lift up our eyes to heaven from whence comes our help.. GOD ( not Allah dear friend, because this is the NAME of a pagan deity who had 3 daughters)) JEHOVAH /Yahweh, bless you in your efforts to reach muslims .. Oh Tham Eng, dear brother in Christ,… may God the Holy Spirit also give you wisdom to preach Jesus alone and not compromise His Gospel message in any way .. :0) bless!
G-d bless Oh Tham, it does take all kinds to make the world go around. You may be loquacious but you have good intentions and I like you.
Stay safe, bubba.
Don’t fall for his prevarications. Islam is anaathema. What are called “good” muslims in Islam are those who embrace Jihad. Those who are called “Bad muslims” reject violence. That is why Islam calls them “bad”. Islam is diametrically opposed to Judeo-Christian precepts. I assumen you are Jewish by your deference to the spelling of “G-d”. Beware of the sons of Ishmael. Do NOT embrace them. They are anathema. Shalom and L’Chaim:
http://www.allaboutreligion.org/origin-of-islam-.htm
Origin of Islam:
Corrected link,Origin of Islam:
http://www.allaboutreligion.org/origin-of-islam.htm
SAFE YOUR FRIENDLY FIRE FOR THE ENEMIES OF allah, PLEASE!
Robert Laity, you have posted a good website. This is what I want you to do as I am doing—posting good websites like this, instead of opening friendly fire on your own people.
And do try to share with us your knowledge of the Bible and see how we can obtain light and guidance from there to fight this difficult battle with the fast rising tide of Islamism.
But you are not. you are being visceral an a bigot. You just want to fight and mess up things your own way, and get people arrested, like what that Aliya Sobolevskeiy, 25, of Maryland recently was—-1 year jail sentence after conviction in an American criminal court.
I also think you have a low IQ, and your knowledge of the Holy Bible is either pathetic, or you have no faith in the Holy Bible.
Spend your energies to help organise the forces of Good for battle against Evil as we don’t have much time left for that Big Day Novemebr 2012.
Or you end up doing allah’s work, and you say you hate ALLAH? LOL!
I am referring to this, Robert:
{Robert Laity, on December 15, 2010 at 2:01 PM said:
Origin of Islam:
Corrected link,Origin of Islam:
http://www.allaboutreligion.org/origin-of-islam.htm }
Thanks for your understandig, Boots. I think I am making some haedway, right?
See how that islamist Dzul has disappeared from me/us after I engaged him in my way!
G-d bless, Boots!
See how he is playing you Boots?
I AM NOT KOW-TOWING TO ISLAMISTS, ANNE
Thanks for expressing to me your reservations. But we have a lot of work to help mobilise the masses to come to our side for that big day in November 2012.
So we must help the combatants in the forefront fight for for truths, justice and for the love of God and for America, and fight wisely and effectively. We must fight for the benefits of all—Muslims included. Then the battles will not be too messy. Then America will emerge to be stronger, more harmonious, respected and inspirational that God meant it to be.
That will mean that we need to also show our sincerity to the good and honest Muslims, that we do care for their reservations and will work for their hopes and desires for safety and for a good life for themselves and their children.
We must convince them that if we win this great and difficult battle against Islamism and the Islamists’ plan and calls for shariazation of America, they will stand to be winners with us too. But if we lose, likewise, they will be big losers with us as well.
For given their chances and freedom, many Muslims would prefer to bolt away from islam’s dreadful and nonsensical Sharia Laws. That is why only people like the al-Qaedans, the Salafists, the hypocritical Wahhabists, and other wicked islamic extremists and terrorists would hanker for Sharia Laws, as they would for allah’s false promises of marriages to many voluptuous paradise virgins for their eternally-free sex.
Without Sharia Laws, the winds for their bloody jihadism will be taken away; and they will be stuck and become like sitting ducks for us to take them off one by one.
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{ANNE, Australia, on December 14, 2010 at 6:55 PM said:
oh tham eng. .. I respect your approach to waking muslims to the evil in the Quran, as you promote the very few passages that are good , this approach probably works well in the muslim dominated society in which you live.
However we in the West don’t have to kow tow to muslims as they do not YET hold the upper hand. We have many politicians who are willing to sell our countries down the river because unlike the general masses they have privileged information on the state of the western world and its impending demise economically and politically to the Arab and communist unity,…}
OTE, You know damned well that “Good Muslims” are those who embrace the violent verses of Islam,those verses that SUPERCEEDED the peaceful verses. You are a Muslim prevaricator:
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/lyingprint.htm
CAN ACCESS FROM MY SIDE IN SINGAPORE. I THINK IT COULD BE BLOCKED.
HOW ABOUT FROM YUR SIDE, DUDE?
WE ARE FIGHTING GOD’S BATTLE, SO WE MUST AVOID ENDING UP FIGHTING FOR THE DEVIL allah.
Robert Laity, I suggest you stop doing the devil allah’s work fabricating baseless stuff against me, that “[I] damned know that “GOOD Muslims” are those who embrace the violent verses of islam”. But you are right to say say that good verses of their Quran are abrogated for the later bad ones. That is the big trouble in islam and with Muslims; that is why I am taking a very strong position against them.
So you must not react so viscerally, unless you want to help Satan and those vile islamists to take me out of operation and behind bars in Singapore’s famous Changi Prison! Do your Bible not have Philippians 4:8, 2Corinthians 11:14, Mark 3:11, and Acts 16:17, etc? Incidently, are you a preacher man? Tell us something about yourself. Let there be transparency, as I have alawys been, even with the Singapore authorities.
That is why the helpless Islamists hated me so much because my polemics with them has been their allah was that fickle-minded devil, often changing his mind over so many things, and deleting the good ones for the new, bad ones later, when his followers were in political majority or ascendency or supremacy, just like the Nazis or Communists.
That is why Islamists hated me so much and issued me hidden death threats for my attempts to try opening up their closed minds to set them thinking. Those mindless Muslims do not believe they need to think, and just need to hate and threaten others with violence and deaths as their way to serve their god allah, that divine impostor.
That is why Malaysian Muslims have been saying that Christians are not allowed to us “Allah”, which is their exclusive right., when it is their allah which they have the exclusive right to. That is why the Malaysian High Court struck down Malaysian Muslims’ opposition, and allowed Malaysian Christians to us “Allah” in their Christian worship and Bible, as “Allah” is all a matter of Arab semantic for God, while allah=god=the devil Shaitan.
And that set off the Malaysian Muslims to burn churches recently; even one Sikh temple was torched, because their Sikh scripture Guru Granth Sahib also uses “Allah” for the Supreme Being God.
Now, if you claim to be a Christian, why then have you not been sharing with us your knowledge and the wisdom from your Bible what is it that we can look therein to guide us in this very difficult battle with Islamism? Why only your opinion and more of your personal opinion and bigotry here?
Why don’t you follow me and share with us your knowledge of the Bible, and tell us how those Bible verses can help us? “For if God is with us,who can be against us?” Romans 8:31.
So never never try to fight this great battle with your own limited knowledge and your bigotry to mess things up. Or you will end up doing the work of Satan, whom Jesus says is the father of lies out to sow confusion among the people of God.
Did I also not say that if we need to kill, so be it, as what American soldiers are doing so gallantly and patriotically in Afghanistan and recently Iraq—for the cause of America, for God and for the oppressed and benighted Muslims there? But political and miltary victories must not be the sole objective. This is God’s battle, not your battle mistakenly fought on allah’s behalf!
I am not against blood-letting for a worthy cause. But the GREAT JIHAD of Jesus (in John 15:13, John 13:34-35, 1 John 4:16-21, etc) always trumps the misleading and bloody little jihads waged by Prophet Mohammed for his allah. And they would be fuming madly against me again for turning the tables on them on their own turfs, and with the weapons they used against us, while you are easy meat for them—with your mindlessness!
Just come over to Singapore and try doing what you are mindless recommending so vociferously in America, if you think you are right. But I have no desire to be like another Aliya Sobolevskeiy, 25, of Maryland.
Got it, dude? God bless!!
I respect the fact that you are in a very precarious situation and that you are a man of courage. However,that said,you are also confused as are the Malaysians that equate “Allah” with the Supreme Being that Jews and Christians refer to as God.
God and “Allah” are NOT the same. God is real while “Allah” has been concocted from the “mindlessness” of a perverted ignorant deviant named Muhammed.
Excuse me Oh Tham…you are beginning to sound like a Muslim spreading the lies of Islam in order to promote acceptance!
One major problem is with the continued influx of muslims into this country and with their population growth within a matter of a few years that population will overcome and voting in this country won’t matter because their numbers is what will count at the voting booth…as it is currently happening in other areas around the world! And that’s assuming there are any voting rights at all!
Immigration into this country needs to stop now! And our immigration laws must be revamped! This country needs to shut down our borders, secure them and stop all immigrations PERIOD!
Our Republic has become a democracy and will in short time not have any semblance to it’s original concepts and rights!
Islam MUST be BANNED as an act of Societal self-defense. BTW,We have always been a Constitutional “Democrac[tic]” Republic.
Robert stated: I am for a COMPLETE MORATORIUM on the entry into this country of ANY Islamic practitioner. Islam is anathema. It would be an act of societal self-defense to BAN Islam permanently by Constitutional Amendment. HR 6975 involves depoorttation of any immigrant advocating Sharia.
I do not know the status of this proposal but it MUST be enacted:
http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/documents/HR6975.pdf
I agree with everything you stated here Robert! I’m going to try to find what happened to this bill and if it was passed, which I doubt, why isn’t it being enforced? And what would keep sharia proponents from lying in order to enter the US and then continue with their jihad?
Muslims are TAUGHT to lie. That is why ALL Muslims must be banned from becoming Americans. Every last one of them regardless of their situation in their home country. Islam has made ITSELF VERY unwelcome.
http://www.islamreview.com/article/lyingprint.htm
YOUR ARE RIGHT AGAIN, ROBERT LAITY!
You are right to say Muslims are being taught to lie for their allah and his islam.
Yes, if we have the political, military and economic power, we should ban islam completely.
But do we, Robert? Easier said than done. And easier to react viscerally than to think methodically, rationally and scripturally
Bottom line and truth is as Boots stated here: “We should not be obligated to absorb any group that will never absorb FREEDOM….. because they will never be anything but an enemy of the Constitution and of freedom.”
Applauding and very well stated!
Islam does NOT recognize the concepr of “Freedom”. let alone “Freedom of Religion”. If you aren’t a Muslim you must pay in some way (Money,persecution and many times one’s life).
Exactly Robert Laity, exactly! HOWEVER, we do have them and will continue to have an influx of them so then… what is our recourse to preserve our freedoms? Hold our govt representatives and our judges responsible for those decisions which further allow sharia to invade and overtake our own constitution and rights!!!
I am for a COMPLETE MORATORIUM on the entry into this country of ANY Islamic practitioner. Islam is anathema. It would be an act of societal self-defense to BAN Islam permanently by Constitutional Amendment. HR 6975 involves depoorttation of any immigrant advocating Sharia.
I do not know the status of this proposal but it MUST be enacted:
http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/documents/HR6975.pdf
THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH islam: NO FREEDOM AND PLENTY OF DECEITFULNESS
That is why I am taking a very strong position against it from far-away Singapore.
But we have to get organise for November 2012. And after the victory, we can start to plan for more action. So moratorium is not for now, since we are not going to get it now. But that doesn’t mean we should keep quiet about it.
Shout it from the roof-top, if we can! But do not get distracted and turn your friendly fire to injure or kill your own brothers, Robert Laity.
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{Robert Laity, on December 15, 2010 at 1:23 PM said:
Islam does NOT recognize the concepr of “Freedom”. let alone “Freedom of Religion”. If you aren’t a Muslim you must pay in some way (Money,persecution and many times one’s life). }
{I’m Amazed!, on December 15, 2010 at 12:14 PM said:
Bottom line and truth is as Boots stated here: “We should not be obligated to absorb any group that will never absorb FREEDOM….. because they will never be anything but an enemy of the Constitution and of freedom.” Applauding and very well stated!}
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WELL SAID, BROTHERS!
But we don’t even have the political powers yet to do that. So we have to be patient and plan one thing at a time.
And the first thing to do is to help our people to get organise; sound the big alarm to wake up every concerned American; and help fight some of the battles in the court room to highlight the grave dangers America is in, as we prepare for the Big Day in November 2012!
Meantime, be steady! Be wise! No need to freak out! God is still on His Throne! “If God is with us, who can be aganst us?” Romans 8:31
So do not get distracted and direct your friendly fires on your own people and kill them unintentionally! That will be very dumb of you, “I’m Amazed”
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{I’m Amazed!, on December 15, 2010 at 10:37 AM said:
Excuse me Oh Tham…you are beginning to sound like a Muslim spreading the lies of Islam in order to promote acceptance!
One major problem is with the continued influx of muslims into this country and with their population growth within a matter of a few years that population will overcome and voting in this country won’t matter because their numbers is what will count at the voting booth…as it is currently happening in other areas around the world! And that’s assuming there are any voting rights at all! …}
Five Minutes to Midnight,the Muslim agenda:
http://canadafreepress.com/index..php/article/7597
Muslim Demographics:
Hey, Robert! I can’t access it. What’s happening?
{Robert Laity, on December 16, 2010 at 12:53 AM said:
Five Minutes to Midnight,the Muslim agenda:
http://canadafreepress.com/index..php/article/7597 }
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OTE, Stop iinterchangeably using the words “God” and “Allah”. God is NOT “Allah”. Allah is a false moon god.
TELL THIS TO THE CHRISTIANS IN MALAYSIA , INDONESIA & ARAB LANDS, DUDE
There, all their Bibles us “Allah” for “God”.
Your name is “Robert Laity”, not “ALLAH”. God knows how to respond to those who call Him in spirit and in truth. Indonesian and Malaysian Christians, as well as Christians in Arab lands are not calling out for you. They are calling to “ALLAH” Who made the heavens and the earth, in their prayers, worship and in their Bibles. They are not calling you, Robert.
So don’t be so arrogant and such a bigot. Go and get an education first, Robert Laity, and then yo can come back to continue debating!.
But “allah” is definitely the devil’s name.
“Floating like a butterfly, and stining likea bee!”
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{Robert Laity, on December 15, 2010 at 1:43 PM said:
OTE, Stop iinterchangeably using the words “God” and “Allah”. God is NOT “Allah”. Allah is a false moon god.}
Muhammed stole from the Bible to make up the faux “religion” of Isla in order to justify his claim that Muslims are the children of “the promise”. The children of the “promise” are the Jews,as descended from Issac and not Ishmael,the illegitimate son of Abraham and his wife’s handmaiden.
LIES OF allah CAN ONLY BE COUNTERED BY TRUTHS, NOT MORE LIES FROM allah, ROBERT!
And you are speaking the right things here, Robert Laity. Keep it up, dude!
Remember: this is what I want you to do more. Lies and wrong teachings can only be countered with truths and correct information. You must never counter lies of allah with more lies and fabrications of allah, and you say you hate ALLAH? How upside-down can you be, Robert !
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{Robert Laity, on December 15, 2010 at 1:50 PM said:
Muhammed stole from the Bible to make up the faux “religion” of Isla in order to justify his claim that Muslims are the children of “the promise”. The children of the “promise” are the Jews,as descended from Issac and not Ishmael,the illegitimate son of Abraham and his wife’s handmaiden.
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“Radical Islam”? ALL Islam is “radical”.
Oh Tham…As Boots says, you have good intentions, I guess I just don’t like that word ISLAM being in anyway connected to the beloved Name of Jesus, to me that word is the name of a false PERSECUTING religion.. it would be a similar insult to muslims if we referred to the CHRISTIANITY of Muhammad ! They HATE Christianity and have sworn to break every cross. I know Islam means submission, but the word Islam to Christians represents centuries of persecution, persecution which continues today so I don’t think you should connect this hated word to Jesus when talking to Christians…! I ask the question , how many muslims have you converted to Christianity using this approach..? I do believe that EDUCATING muslims on the falsity of their Quran is the answer, but how do you educate 1.2 billion muslims in time for them to NOT destroy the entire non muslim world, because that is their stated unapologetic agenda!
ANNE, I AGREE WITH YOU.
But you should not be driven by your hang-ups, and react so viscerally. Be scriptural, rational and spiritual. The God we worship is a Wise, Intelligent, Benevolent and Omnipotent God; not that silly divine impostor allah.
Whether it is Christianity or ISLAM, it is all about SUBMISSION to this Great and Supreme God. So do not allow yourself to be so strangled up by semantics.
Can you also reign in your wild imagination? If you want to insult Muslims by referring to”the CHRISTIANITY of Muhammad !”, I would advise you not to waste your time on this silly and meaningless venture. But with people like Dzul, and those in Singpre (and other places), that was how I had engaged in robust debates with them: inviting him to join me to trust the goodness of their Quran, such as Al-Baqarah 2:256. And his balls shrank, and he ran away! Strange case of Islamophobia of a Muslism. LOL!.
And I won’t be surprised if it comes to open debates person to person with Muslims howling at us, Robert Laity would be among the first to quickly run off to hide, though he appears in this website to be so “brave & strong”, yelling for all to hear: “Islam is of the devil! Quran is totally evil and bad”; and I am yelling ” islam is of the Devil! Muslims have not faith in the goodness of their Quran! That is why they are so backward and benighted!”—–leaving me to handle the howling islamic hordes.
But I am ready for them. Otherwise I won’t be using my real name “Oh Tham Eng” here! It can get pretty lonely and scary at time, Anne. But we need just do our part, and not be too angst-ridden. Leave the rest to God, Anne.
I repeat: Rome was not build in a day. So do not get distracted and flustered up, and firing on friendly forces. Fight in the way we/you prefer and are comfortable in. But we must fight the good fight of faith for God, for America and for our freedom!
We just need to “Trust and Obey (ISLAM), for there’s no other way …” so goes an old Christian song.
It is also a great Spiritual Battle, Anne! Ephesians 6:12
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{ANNE, Australia, on December 15, 2010 at 2:38 PM said:
Oh Tham Eng…As Boots says, you have good intentions.
I guess I just don’t like that word ISLAM being in anyway connected to the beloved Name of Jesus, to me that word is the name of a false PERSECUTING religion.. it would be a similar insult to muslims if we referred to the CHRISTIANITY of Muhammad ! They HATE Christianity and have sworn to break every cross. I know Islam means submission.
But the word Islam to Christians represents centuries of persecution, persecution which continues today so I don’t think you should connect this hated word to Jesus when talking to Christians…!
I ask the question , how many muslims have you converted to Christianity using this approach..? I do believe that EDUCATING muslims on the falsity of their Quran is the answer, but how do you educate 1.2 billion muslims in time for them to NOT destroy the entire non muslim world, because that is their stated unapologetic agenda!}
{{Robert Laity, on December 15, 2010 at 1:43 PM said:
OTE, Stop iinterchangeably using the words “God” and “Allah”. God is NOT “Allah”. Allah is a false moon god.}
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GOD HAS MANY NAMES
Let me get it right from the beginning. ALLAH is the Supreme God Who had taken the forever-living Jesus to Heaven to be with Him, as the Quran says in An-Nisaa 4:158. He is the same ALLAH Who had conversely cursed islam’s Prophet Mohammed to a slow and painful death through eating poisoned goat meat served to him and his companions by his young, pretty but vengeful Jewish wife whose parents, husband, siblings and people Mohammed and his roving band of booty-seeking and sex-hungry “holy” warriors had mass-slaughtered for their allah and islam. (Sahih Bukhari V4B53N394, V3B47N786, V5B59N713.)
He is also the ALLAH Who did not protect newborn baby Mohammed but newborn Jesus from Satan’s two touches of mortality, imperfection and evil (Sahih Bukhari 4.506, 4.641); the same ALLAH Who honoured Jesus to be born of a virgin (Surah Mariam 19 of the Quran).
When Jesus was walking and ministering in the land of ancient Palestine, He preached the Gospel (Injil) in Aramaic, not Hebrew or Yiddish. In Aramaic, “Elah” or “Alah” refers to God, the Supreme Deity. In Hebrew, God is referred to by the Tetragrammaton of the 4 Hebrew consonants Yod, Heh, Vau & Heh—transliterated as YHWH.
So sacrosanct is the Name of God encompassed in the Hebrew Tetragrammaton that pious Jews were/are too fearful to vocalise it, lest they mispronounced it and committed a sacrilege, even if it was/is unwitting. Instead, they use words like “Adonai”(my Lord) or “Elohim (God); or by means of euphemisms such as “hash-Shem” (the Name), or “Shem Hameforash” (the ineffable Name) when they want to talk or mention God or His Name.
The Arabic “ALLAH” shares the same root as the Hebrew “Elohim” and the Aramaic “Alaha”. “Elohim” is derived from “Eloh” (Hebrew for God); “Alaha” (Aramaic or Syriac for God) is the emphatic form of “Alah”). And “ALLAH” is linked to “Ilah” (Arabic for God).
All three of the Semitic words for “God”—Eloh, Alah and Ilah—are etymologically equivalent. The slight modifications between them reflect different pronunciations conforming to the historical pattern of morphological shifts in each tongue.
So when Christ walked the face of the earth six centuries before Prophet Mohammed did, he would have said “Alah”, “Elah” or “Alaha”—the Aramaic words for God (which was the language of His time).
But Malaysian Christians reading from their Malay Bibles and singing reverentially their hymns would all be happily praising ALLAH as such—not as “Tuhan”. In Malaysia, “ALLAH” is also the Name for God used in the Sikh scripture Guru Granth Sahib.
There’s a group of Indians called Chitti Melakas (the Indian version of the Baba Chinese) who refer to God, when speaking in Malay, as “Tuan ALLAH” (Lord God), though they are Hindus. “Neti, neti,” the Buddha would say when pressed by his over-eager disciples to describe the nature of Ultimate Reality—”not this, not this”, while the over-anxious Christians had miss-transliterated the Hebrew YHWH as Jehovah. “YHWH” is better vocalised in English as Yahweh.
Of course I would prefer “Yehweh” as in “Yeshua” for Jesus. “Jehovah” is never a name that has ever appeared in the Jewish Bible, but is fanatically followed by some people as the unchanging Name for God. In which case, I would again prefer “Yehovah” rather than the anglicised “Jehovah” as in “Jesus” & the more phonetically accurate “Yeshua”.
Or you can call God “Gott” in German; “Theo” in Greek (rather than “Deus”, as in Latin); or “Shangdi”, as in Chinese. The choice really is yours to make, and God will answer you/us with any of His Names (Jeremiah 33:3) if you/we call on Him in spirit and in truth (John 4:24).
So it shall be “ALLAHU AKBAR! God is Greatest!!” I shouted It when I succeeded doing good deeds, such as helping a Muslim boy Amin escaped a criminal charge for printing money in 2000. Shouldn’t that be the right time to shout “ALLAHU AKBAR!”, and glorify ALLAH Who had created the heavens and the earth?
How else can we steal the wind from the sail of those militant jihadists if we’re not able to teach the world how to shout the praises of God properly? They often shouted “allahu akbar!” when they succeeded doing something evil and heinous in their upside-down jihad to slaughter even innocent Muslim children, women & men; and maiming for life many more innocent Muslims.
And Malaysia is the only Muslim country where Muslims love to kick around ALLAH’s Great Name in their game of political football. But this is Singapore, and we honour ALLAH’s sacred Name; not kicking It as a political football. We shall always honor ALLAH in reverential ways, such as when we did good deeds.
“Lo! they who belongs to the devil’s party are the losers….Lo! They who belong to ALLAH’s party are the successful ones!” Al-Mujadilah 58:19, 22.
ALLAHU AKABR! GOD is GREATEST!!
@ Oh Tham states: “KEEP YOUR FAITH IN ME, DUDE!”
I don’t know for sure who that remark is intended for, but I put no trust in any man! My love is for YHVH the father and my trust and faith in Y’shua the Messiah! None others! And I do not trust your words Oh Tham for they mingle to much with Islam! Perhaps this is necessary for you or where you live or who you teach, but Allah is not the same as YHVH!
DON’T BE TOO HANG-UP ON SEMANTICS, DUDE
Jesus said that He went to the Father. And the Quran says that ALLAH took Jesus up to Heaven be with Him in Heaven (An-Nisaa 4:158). And in Mark 3:11, the demons correctly shouted at Jesus: “You are the Son of God!” So demons have been recorded to be truthful too, such as in Acts 16:17. Not true that demons always lie. Most of the time they do. More often they mingle truths with poisonous lies (not the harmless white lies), for they are of their chief Satan whom Jesus says is the father of lies (John 8:44).
And I tell you, I believe I am right to say allah is the name of that moon god, a stone idol in the ancient polytheistic Arabs’ pantheon. But ALLAH was the One Who took Jesus to Heaven to be with Him, and ALLAH did cursed islam’s Prophet Mohammed to a slow and painful death through eating poisoned goat meat served on him by his young, pretty but vengeful Jewish wife. However, allah, the moon god, never did any of these. “ALLAH is Mighty and Wise” An-Nisaa 4:158.
Well, you may want to follow how Jesus had said in Aramaic for the Supreme One He called His Father in Heaven: ALAHA OR ALAH (and ALLAH in Arabic. Notice it’s a matter of just one “L”), rather than the unpronounceable Hebraic YHVH.
So don’t be too hang-up on semantics, dude.
And it is also taught by Islam that YHVH God had no son and that Y’shua is no more than a prophet. Again, we are told in the Bible to not put our trust in any man! And your mixing words such as Allah with YHVH, therefore you spread confusion…and if you will study further, YHVH is not unpronounceable. Try the book “His Hallowed Name Revealed Again” by Keith E. Johnson. I don’t wish to keep an argument going with you for it serves no purpose and takes from the topic. If you are a christian trying to bring muslims to Y’shua, may you be protected and blessed and if not you will reap His wrath! Shalom!
GOOD STATEMENT YOU HAVE MADE, “AMAZED”
Agree with you: we will reap His wrath if we don’t do His will. And we need to pray for one another, dude.
I feel it would be better for us if we seek to do good deeds which will please Him. “For faith without works [good deeds] is dead.” James 2:17
So “Inspire me, Lord to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to me and my loved ones to do good deed which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous. ” An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in God’s sight is he/she who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13.
Cheers, brother!
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{I’m Amazed!, on December 16, 2010 at 7:23 PM said: …
If you are a christian trying to bring muslims to Y’shua, may you be protected and blessed and if not you will reap His wrath! Shalom!}
{I’m Amazed!, on December 16, 2010 at 7:23 PM said:
…. And you [Oh Tham Eng] are mixing words such as Allah with YHVH, therefore you spread confusion…}
I HAD REPLIED TO “I’M AMAZED” ON DEC 17, 2010 AT 2:57 AM FOR HIS FALLACIOUS POST ABOUT ME AT THIS LINK: http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/muslim-hit-and-run-driver-claims-did-it-to-be-famous/
in my post:
“NOT TO WORRY, “AMAZED”: GOD KNOWS HOW TO RESPOND TO THOSE WHO CALL HIM “DEUS”, “GOTT”, “SHANGDI”; OR “ALAH” OR ALLAH” “
VERY WELL SAID, “AMAZED”: THAT YOU TRUST ONLY IN YHVH AND Y’SHUA.
But I don’t see you obeying Y’shua nor YHVH IN practical deeds that will please Father & Son (re AN-Naml 27:19). Just alot of your islamophobia and bigotry showing up for political gains and objectives, and not much for analysis for positive activism, but for an atavism which I dread.
It would be good if you can tell us which of Y’shua’s or YHVH’s words you trust so much and how they have helped you expressed your faith that we can learn from you and be inspired too, dude. Learning from you for our political objectives are very insufficient for the big battle that has been forced on us,”Amazed”.
As for me, I simply dislike islam—its irrationality, senseless, violence, oppressiveness and unnecessary paranoia and lack of hope for a better world (as I don’t think I need allah’s false promises of his eternally-free sex with many voluptuous paradise virgins to entice me to follow (islam) that allah).
But in obedience (i.e. the true ISLAM) to Y’shua and YHVH’s commands, I have done my part to go out of my way to help Muslims and others (Buddhists, Christians, etc) when they need help and their own people and leaders could not help, but I could, as our Y’shua and YHVH require us to. That is why I need to share with all willing listeners about the Prayer of Prophet Suleiman.
Sad that you don’t seem to understand that political objectives and purely being islamophobic are not going to carry us far, but Submission (ISLAM) to the Will of Y’shua and YHVH in our lives will, dude.
I don’t see you doing so, except reading your lop-sided islamopobic posts (which I do share with you incidently). Why don’t you balance political your stand and aspirations with the spiritual fruits that Y’shua and YHVH look for in us as an expression of your faith in Father & Son, and show us how we can learn from you too, dude?
And let us know how you have reached out to help Muslims the way Y’shua and YHVH require us to, “Amazed”? Will that be my fair request to you as your fellow brother in Christ? And I am not judging you.;just my request. But your jugment of others show go in two ways, brother! (Matthew 7:1-5)
Talk is cheap, dude. And one day, Y’shua will tell us, “Go away! I never know you, you evil-doers!. ” Mathew 7:23.
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{I’m Amazed!, on December 16, 2010 at 10:33 AM said:
@ Oh Tham states: “KEEP YOUR FAITH IN ME, DUDE!”
…. I put no trust in any man! My love is for YHVH the father and my trust and faith in Y’shua the Messiah!….}
CORRECTIONS
“should”, not “show”; “judgment”, not “jugment” as in: “But your judgment of others should go in two ways, brother! (Matthew 7:1-5).”
“senselessness”, not senseless” as in: “As for me, I simply dislike islam—its irrationality, senselessness, violence, oppressiveness and unnecessary paranoia and lack of hope for a better world…”
“balance your political stand”, not “balance political your stand” as in: ” Why don’t you balance your political stand and aspirations with the spiritual fruits that Y’shua and YHVH look for in us…”
Oh Tham stated: “But I don’t see you obeying Y’shua nor YHVH IN practical deeds that will please Father & Son”
You don’t have a clue as to what I do or don’t do in any area of life so you can stop with baiting, and enuf said of your mixing words! Shalom!
WHY CHRISTIANS ARE GENERALLY MORE PROGRESSIVE?
That is correct, for the simple reason that I do not even know your name. It is your prerogative to operate in the darkness of cyberspace, if you have not been judgmental of others like me.
Why do you think Christians are generally more progressive? Because they like to share and learn from each other. Maybe you are one exception.
That is why it would be more profitable sharing with one another what we have been doing, for the glory of God and the furtherance of His Kingdom, dude! Why do you think that I can’t learn anything from what you are doing , dude?
Cheers!
Oh Tham Eng, I think its counterproductive for Christians to argue amongst themselves. I realize there are many paths the Lord Jesus uses that His Name should be preached . This is shown in Mark 9: 38: “Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME, and he followed not us: and we forbad him, because he followed not us.(39) But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man that shall do a miracle IN MY NAME , that can lightly speak evil of me. (40) For he that is NOT AGAINST US IS ON OUR PART.”…. Brother, I accept that you are a Christian, because you claim THE NAME of Jesus Christ, just as this man in Scripture who was casting out devils did these things in Jesus Name, who am I or any other on this site to judge? You do a different work to us here, you are in the belly of the Islamic beast, and you must work accordingly, by quoting their Islamic writings at them, and comparing them to our Holy Bible( which of course are the complete OPPOSITE) but can I ask one favor of you? You are with fellow Christians here, there are no muslims here that you have to quote Quran, and I must be honest, when I hear you quote from that satanic book, it upsets me.. I don’t believe there is ANY GOOD in the Quran, no, not one word, because it is NOT INSPIRED by The Holy Spirit as the Bible is! It is inspired by another spirit that is anti christ…when you are with muslims, good, quote Quran as much as is needed, but it is not needed for us, for ANY words from Quran are an offense to our ears and hearts..Also before Jesus died on the Cross he cried out “ELOI, ELOI, la’ma sa-bach’tha-ni? which is being interpreted, My God my God, why has thou forsaken me? ” (Mark 15: 34) Jesus used the Name ELOI, ( according to the Holy Bible) that is the correct interpretation from Jesus own lips, for the word GOD! ” so maybe you should be shouting ELOI AKABR, no? :0) so friend, now we have discussed this lets not dispute with one another but get on with the topic of this site,,The evil of ISLAM…. God bless…
WE MUST AVOID HELPING INADVERTENTLY allah AND his VILE AGENTS IN OUR BATTLE WITH THEM
Anne, you are re-stating my position, though more volubly.
I say again, we should adopt what we feel comfortable and which makes us to be effective, without doing the work for allah to slam me/others as fabricating lies for Muslims and prevaricating, as what “Amazed” and Robert Laity did to me. But if they have the evidence or cogent argument to say that I lied or was in wilful error, by all means bring them forth. It will be helpful to me to help me re-evaluate my position and make the necessary corrections.
But I can see that matters are cooling down, as I am making headway to make my position clear. Or do I, “Amazed” & Robert?
We shouldn’t be firing on friendly force to help allah and his people to fight us.
it is also very important to make sure none of our people will endanger themselves unnecessarily and end up being jail, like what that Maryland fella did, Ilya Sobolevskeiy—one year in jail for unwisely talking about islam, as what Robert and “Amazed” are recommending and shooting me to take their unwise positions against islam. I haven’t make any plan yet to spend my time in Singapore’s Changi Prison.
So if I do not come out with my explanation to explain and counter the lies “Amazed” and Robert Laity made against me, allah and his agents will only be laughing at them and at me for the help given the evil ones from unexpected quarters.
When we can, we should help, but never mess things up and end up inadvertently helping allah and his jinn-possessed islamists. I hope i have make myself clear.
Cheers!
Allah is NOT one of God’s “names”.
CHRISTIAN MALAY BIBLES IN INDONESIA, MALAYSIA, SINGAPORE; AND ARABIC BIBLES ALSO USE “ALLAH” FOR “GOD”
Tell it to the Indonesian, Malaysian, the Arab Christians. All their Christian Bibles have “Allah” for God. For sure I am not the one responsible. So no one should be blaming me.
So go and get an education and grow up, Robert Laity. People like you are giving the Christians a bad name for bigotry. May be you are not a Christian, that’s why.
If you are, to this day, I am still waiting for your contributions of some helpful Bible verses that you are following. They would be better than you going around trying to create troubles like that.
But like me, you did contributed some links. Unfortunately, from my side, i could not access some of them. May be they are blocked.
If you like to create troubles so much, why don’t you come over to Singapore, and try you luck with our Singapore police. But it won’t be something like i year jail that your Maryland American Ilya Sbolevskeiy got recently from a federal judge for the same kind of troubles you are creating.
So far only a few months jail. So not so bad. But not for this one. You are just wanting to irritate me.
{I’m Amazed!, on December 14, 2010 at 12:25 PM said:
@ Oh Tham Eng…Thank you for the explanation. Although our Bibles most likely say the same with different wording, mine is with the Hebraic definitions. Shalom!}
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KEEP YOUR FAITH IN ME, DUDE!
As Boots is doing, “Amazed!”. If I am in error, point out from the scriptures or from your cogent logic where and why I was in error. I would appreciate that. This will help us avoid friendly fire.
The most important thing is, we must help out to get our forces mobilised and organised for the big day in November 2012!
We must never think we still have a lot of time!
God Bless!
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{Boots, on December 14, 2010 at 11:25 PM said:
G-d bless Oh Tham Eng, it does take all kinds to make the world go around. You may be loquacious but you have good intentions and I like you.
Stay safe, bubba.}
{I’m Amazed!, on December 15, 2010 at 10:37 AM said:
Excuse me Oh Tham Eng…you are beginning to sound like a Muslim spreading the lies of Islam in order to promote acceptance! }
BAN ISLAM:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/10830
Yes, we must ban islam, when there is political and legal power to do so. But first get Americans to wake up and join in to help out in this exsential battle of Good versus Evil.
Mobilise and get them organised for November 2012.
{ANNE, Australia, on December 15, 2010 at 2:38 PM said:
Oh Tham Eng…As Boots says, you have good intentions….
I do believe that EDUCATING muslims on the falsity of their Quran is the answer, but how do you educate 1.2 billion muslims in time for them to NOT destroy the entire non muslim world, because that is their stated unapologetic agenda!}
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THANKS FOR ASKING THAT IMPORANT QUESTION: HOW….?
You are right, Anne. But educating Muslims needs lots of time and efforts. So we must mobilise more people and go viral with our ideas and strategies to be “in time for them to NOT destroy the entire non muslim world”, especially to be in time for November 2012.
That is why I came to this blog, “Creeping Sharia” to help all of you and to learn from all of you at the same time.
See how I put to flight that Islamist Dzul, and earlier Yahya who came in to try arguing with us? And based on my recent years of experience, I can go right to the devils’ dens to do battle with them and prevail—provided I have legal protection. And they were jumping like mad in Pakistan, callng me “mentally retarded monkey and Hindu”
But you people must not just let me do it alone, and repeatedly firing on friendly force. I have spent so much of my precious time sharing and equiping you fellas how to in this blog.
At one stage, even “creeping” wanted to ban me from this blog. And I thought if he was so benighted, I would never want to come back again under a false name. I did nothing wrong, and I am proud of my name “Oh Tham Eng”, which means add glory to God. So why take on a false name? See, integrity is my badge of honour, Anne!
So it was good that “creeping” kept his good sense And so I am still here. Thanks “creeping”. But I would be taking a break soon. it is very tiring and stressful too, Anne.
God bless!
God bless you too dear brother, may He take care of you… I know it must be stressful, hope i havent added to that ‘load :0)
IT IS IN THE islamic CULTURE TO LIE AND DECEIVE
Thanks, Anne. Ya. We are actually running short of time, giving the fast rising evil tide of Islamism. So must mobilse more people and let them know the grave dangers we are all facing.
“The greatest threat the world is now facing is from radical Islam”, so said former British PM Tony Blair.
And these things from Wikipedia are stressing me up too. But they are excellent and very informative materials. More should be informed about it and get them to help out in this grave battle. It is the Lord’s battle that we are all fighting for here.
Muhammad admits to lying and encourages Muslims to do likewise…In the following hadiths, we see that Muhammad admits he’s a liar when it suits him and he advises its acceptable for Muslims to do likewise:
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muhammad_admits_to_lying_and_encourages_Muslims_to_do_likewise
Good post , Tham Eng… yes, Satan is the king of lies, and his greatest lie is the Quran, which leads 1.2 BILLION straight to hell!!!
{ANNE, Australia, on December 16, 2010 at 3:19 PM said: ….
You are with fellow Christians here, there are no muslims here that you have to quote Quran, and I must be honest, when I hear you quote from that satanic book, it upsets me..
I don’t believe there is ANY GOOD in the Quran, no, not one word, because it is NOT INSPIRED by The Holy Spirit as the Bible is! It is inspired by another spirit that is anti christ…when you are with muslims, good, quote Quran as much as is needed, but it is not needed for us, for ANY words from Quran are an offense to our ears and hearts….}
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NEVER TAKE OURSELVES OFF OUR LEARNING CURVE, ANNE
Islamists got very agitated when I shouted “ALLAHU AKBAR” after I accomplished good deeds with the Prayer of Prophet Suleiman!
Because they felt so embarrassed they couldn’t/weren’t doing it.
So I am surprised that you people felt the same offense too, after so much of my explanation. Are you people so dense in the head? Now, if the demons are speaking the truth, I have never indicated that I am trusting them—just the truth that they had uttered—like “You are the Son of God”; or “Your are the servant of the Most High God!” (at Paul).
So that doesn’t mean I believe the Quran is the Word of God. And I have given no indication that I did. Just that I am armed with Philippians 4:8, so I am very capable of handlng the devil’s prevarications and lies, and beating him and his agents in their dastard game of taqiyya and on their home-ground.
After all, I was created in God’s glorious image, not in the stupid image of that irrational, demented and always trouble-making divine impostor allah.
So I would advise you to remain on your learning curve, and get over your hang-ups soon. For there willl be Muslims that you would be encountering one day, and that is when you will find what you have learnt from me here helpful.
Otherwise, you will again end up trading insults with them. But they are so many, and unless you have bigger lungs, you will get yourself pumped out long before they do! Forget not that they are grandmasters in their game of deceit, craftiness and provocations.
But when they encounter me, it is they who go into a tizzy (from their reactions they betrayed in their posts). And I can imagine them trying to pull out all their hairs on their heads and helplessly growling at me—-grrrraaa……..!
Well, they can do anything they like, if they do not wish for light to shine into their darken minds. The Singapore police won’t be interested in their complaints against me, as I can’t be committing any crime for trying to promote the goodness of their Quran for them, right?
Got it now, Anne. “Floating like a butterfly, and stinging like a bee”….That’s me again, gal!
It is “The Gospel”( John 3:16 ) that breaks the satanic grip of Islam, and the Holy Spirit Who does the work in muslims hearts , not man. We can only PREACH the Word, but the Holy Spirit waters It.. Jesus said, My Word is TRUTH” only TRUTH can release a man from the bondage of Satan. Jesus WORD is the Holy Bible…so the battle is the Lords..Tham Eng, we must always preach TRUTH, which Jesus says is HIS WORD. ( His Word is The Holy Bible) just keep preaching Gods Word, that is Jesus command “Go unto all the world and preach THE GOSPEL …I have no hang ups..I KNOW Islam, enough to do battle with the enemy and to prove to muslims their book is a book of lies, Jesus says to be wise as snakes and as gentle as doves… bless.
SORT TERM & LEGITIMATE POLITICAL GAINS ARE NOT ENOUGH, ANNE. IT IS THE LORD’S BATTLE AND THE FREEDOM WE ARE FIGHTING FOR!
Well done, Anne,. May God bless you!
But you conveniently ignore my earlier advice to you and others in this blog that we can only do our little parts and let God take charge of the rest. We do not need to be so angst-ridden. For God is still on His Throne, as this is the Lord’s battle we are all engaged on His behalf and for our collective freedom.
For we are not fighting against flesh and blood just for some short-term legitimate political gains, but “against principalities and spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places” Ephesians 6:12.
But if you are giving me your affirmation of what I have been telling as correct, by your saying “[it's] the Holy Spirit Who does the work in muslims hearts , not man. We can only PREACH the Word, but the Holy Spirit waters”, then I can joyfully say “Amen!” and agree to that!
So can you say “Amen!” to what I am repeating to you people to what I had so advised and shared, from the perspective of Ephesians 6:12, Philippians 4:8, etc? There’s nothing of my wanting to invent and promote the syncretic Islamo-Christianity.
But we must show a sense of responsibility and not inadvertently agitate others into mindlessly following what people like Robert Laity, “Amazed”, etc seem to enjoying hate-mongering against Muslims (and mindlessly), and getting others into big problems with the law enforcers.
Unfortunate cases like Maryland’s Ilya Sobolevskeiy’s one year jail sentence (as featured in “Creeping’s” report some days ago), and the many cases that happened in Singapore are sadly avoidable; so we must all help out to prevent them happening again, when we could, until we have gained both the political and legal powers, come November 2012. Honestly, do people like Robert Laity or “Amazed’ want me to be planning for my days behind bars in Singapore’s famous Changi Prison, something that the islamists here are experiencing great difficulties doing that to me?
No thanks to them for wanting to help the islamists here to do just that! But islamists in Singapore will only be delighted to have the likes of people like them mindlesssly battling them in Ameruca to get me into troubles. So do you think you want me to be planning for my days behind bars in Singapore’s changi prison as a trouble-maker, Anne?.
In the interim (prior to November 2012), the only people who will be happy are therefore allah and his agents the islamists when our people are being arrested and financially ruined through their unwise actions after being influenced by the likes of people like Robert Laity, etc.
They must not be so conceited and attacked others like me who are trying to share with our people how to avoid getting into troubles with the law—how I evaded ttroubles with the police; and not shoot at responsible people like me who—may I repeat—know how to help others avoid legal problems.
Let each of us be comfortable with his or her style of combat, and not be so driven by any hang-ups, especially on semantics, and slandering me with lies that I was helping Muslims to spread lies and to prevaricate.
And then, one day, when we meet any Muslim friends or acquaintances, we can politely tell them what you people have learned from me of the goodness in their Quran, and let them away from the worship of that allah, towards the worship of ALLAH (using terms they understand well). “Know your enemy and yourself. A hundred battles fought, a hundred victories won,” so exhorted Sun Zi, the ancient Chinese master tactician
Now, forget not that our Lord Jesus spoke in Aramaic, not in Hebrew when He was on earth ministering the Gospel. In aramaic, the Supreme Being God is “ALAH” or “ALAHA” ( the emphatic form for “ALAH”). And I am being right to say that allah was incidently the moon god in the ancient polytheistic Arab’s pantheon.
Given our troubled times now with islamism and their dreadful Sharia Laws threatening our freedom and very existence, is it not clear that it was God’s wonderful providence that He fore-ordained that Jesus should be speaking in Aramaic then and not in Hebrews for the diifficult times we are norw faced with?
Lastly, I am not the one who commenced the shooting at friendly forces. And I am not judging. But their premature scathing judgement of me as lying and prevaricating for Muslims is absolutely uncalled for. For their unmeritorious judgment, it should work in two ways too (re Matthew 7:1-5). So let us not be guilty of the same sin and error that we accuse the Muslims and others of committing.
It will be helpful if we also remember the exhortion of our Apostle Paul in Philippians 2:3 too: “My beloved…..Do nothing from selfishness or CONCEIT, but in humility count others better than yourselves.” Philippians 2:3. And there are always people who are better than ourselves, Anne.
Cheers!
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ANNE, Australia, on December 16, 2010 at 4:56 PM said:
…I have no hang ups..I KNOW Islam, enough to do battle with the enemy and to prove to muslims their book is a book of lies, Jesus says to be wise as snakes and as gentle as doves… bless. }
ISLAM MUST BE BANNED!
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/10830
One step at a time, dude.
But I do agree islam is really bad, unless it is the ISLAM of Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23, or that of Prophet Suliman (in An-Naml 27:19).
STOP with the intermingling of the Bible with the Q’uaran. There is NO such precept as the “Islam of Jesus”. Jesus is descended from Issac and is JEWISH! Muslims are descended from the illegitimate son of Abraham,Ishmael and are NOT “Children of the promise”.
I agree with you. Though I am a nonbeliever and I don’t know much about the Bible, but I do agree that one should not mix it with any other religion or any other socalled religion, though those different tribes may have similar charecteristics.
{Robert Laity, on December 17, 2010 at 4:11 PM said: ….
Jesus is descended from Issac and is JEWISH! Muslims are descended from the illegitimate son of Abraham,Ishmael and are NOT “Children of the promise”.} [On this, point, I agree with Robert Laity!]
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ROBERT LAITY IS AN AGENT OF allah AND A COVERT FRIEND OF THE ISLAMISTS—-TO HELP INNOCENT PEOPLE GET ARRESTED, CHARGED, CONVICTED AND JAILED FOR HATE CRIMES OR SEDITION
But I am an agent of ALLAH Who had taken the forever-living Jesus to Heaven to be with Him (An-Nisaa 4:158); the same ALLAH Who had, conversely, cursed allah’s Prophet Mohammed to a slow and painful death through eating poisond goat meat(re Sahih Bukhari V4B53N394, V3B47N786, V5B59N713).
That is why I am justified to expose Robert Laity for trying so hard to cause great confusion to foist on the uninformed with his deceitful game of semantics to help Islamists get more innocent people to be arrested and jailed by following Robert in what he is so irresponsibly and foolishly recommending to us: that there is no ISLAM of Jesus; only the Islam of Mohammed. That is not true, because ISLAM=Submission to a Wise, Benevolent, Omnipotent Creator God (Matthew 7:21-23), while islam=submission to the Devil himself.
Robert Laity, you seem to be a man of low IQ, not well read, and a non-Christian. Get an education, dude! You may want to start here from my Bible in: John 3:16, 14:6. 13:34-35, 15:13; Acts 4:12, 16:17; Mark 3:11-12, 2 Kings 6:16; Romans 8:31; Philippians 2:3-4, 4:8; Matthew 7:21-23, I John 4:16-21, James 4:7, 2:17; Isaiah 43:26, 1:18; etc, etc, etc
And if Robert Laity is a well educated and sensible man, he will also want to read Fusilat 41:43, An-Naml 27:19, Al-Baqarah 2:256, etc.
And this is the way I will want to mobilise the masses to come out to do combat againstthe fast rising tide of Islamism, without getting any of our people hauled up to court, convicted and jailed, like what had recently happened to that Maryland American Ilya Sobolevskeiy (which is what Robert Laity really wanted to do to them):
“I oppose Sharia Laws because it is against the American values of freedom of religion, freedom to seek and speak the truth and speak for justice—the freedom enshrined in Al-Baqarah 2:256, which those agents of the devil say is no longer valid as it had long being abrogated as being part of the QUran.
So because the Sharia Laws are largely against the goodness in the Quran (such as in Al-Baqarah 2:256, etc), good, sensible and patriotic American Muslims must all join with other Americans to oppose the dreadful shariazation of America. Because only the islamic terrorists and the extremists are pushing very hard for Sharia laws on America; because without Sharia Laws, no islamic terrorism and extremism can be justified and organised. Without Sharia Laws, no jihads can be waged to mass-slaughter innocent American citizens.
So it is also in the interests of Muslims to join others in the battle against Sharization of America—because it is against the good teachings of their Quran—as those evil-doers of the devil only want to bring about chaos, islamic backwardness, unmitigated violence and oppression of humanity (especially of the women)to plague American society.
“There is no compulsion in religion. Truth now stands distinct from error.” Al-Baqarah.
Now, this agent of the devil Robert Laity is obviously of the devil as he is against Al-Baqarah 2:256. That is why he is so passionate about wanting to help allah and his islamist agents get our people into serious troubles with the law and then jailed. Then, with less soldiers to fight against the fast rising and evil tide of Islamism and its dreadful Sharia Laws, forces of shariazation will find it easier to triumph over America soon, no thanks to hypocrites like Robert Laity who is working so hard to help this happen under his cover that he is opposing Sharia Laws!
Proof that what I am saying is correct: Tell Robert Laity to come over to my Singapore, and then say and yell the very same things that he is so strongly and passionately recommending that we should all do: “Islam is of the devil! Allah is the devil! There is absolutely no goodness in the Quran! Quran is totally evil! Ban Islam!”
And you can see how fast Robert Laity’s balls will shrink when the Singapore Police go looking for him in Singapore!
No banning of ISLAM please. But BAN islam! Because islam is of the Devil. ALLAH (or ALAH, in Jesus’Aramaic) is my God; but allah is the Devil!
I say again, islam is of the Devil! But the ISLAM of Jesus and King Solomon (Prophet Suleiman) (in Matthew 7:21-23 & An-Naml 27:19 respectively) is of ALLAH Who had taken the forever-living Jesus to Heaven to be with Him (An-Nisaa 4:158).
And Robert Laity is also of the Devil as he is trying so hard to agitate people and get them arrested, charged and jailed, like what Ilya Sobolevskeiy had landed himself for doing the very same thigs that this idiot Robert Laity is so strongly recommending to all of us.
The best that I can say of Robert Laity is, he is an idiot with very low IQ. ANd that is a compliment! LOL! But more likely, he is a very intelligent, determined and a very passionate agent of the devil, because he does no believe in the ALLAH (or ALAH, in Jesus’ Aramaic) Who took Jesus to Heaven, the ALLAH Who had conversely cursed Mohammed to a slow and painful death through eating poisoned goat meat.
MY ABOVE POST IS TO RESPOND TO WHAT ROBERT LAITY WROTE ABOUT ME, IN THE FOLLOWING:
{Robert Laity, on December 17, 2010 at 4:11 PM said:……
STOP with the intermingling of the Bible with the Q’uaran [Oh Tham Eng]. There is NO such precept as the “Islam of Jesus”….}
[...] CREEPING SHARIA– Buffalo: More proof Islamic sharia is incompatible with U.S. law; The ‘Islamophobia’ [...]
Read my enlightening post:
“A MUSLIM ACADEMIC EXPLAINS WHAT IS ISLAM”
in the link here:
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/muslims-opposed-to-house-inquiry-into-radicalization-of-muslims/
Islam is not just a religion. It has a legal system complete with jurisprudence that goes back almost 1400 years. Islamic governance has a foreign policy, has an economic policy, taxes non-Muslims and even fields an armed force that defends it’s ‘occupied’ lands and ‘waters’. Living under Islamic rule over the centuries has evolved into a culture as well.
Culture shock is one of the many problems being faced today and is partly responsible for so much of the violence.
One issue today is the phrase that can be interpreted that allow a man to beat his wife. (no visable marks should be made) Another is the ability of a man to take his wife against her will. (A New Jersey court had agreed and was overruled)
I see no need to hold any of these arguments in the U.S. today. We don’t need Islamic law to start an argument over these issues. (These are only 2 of them, plenty more where they came from)
Agreed…Our countries have a tried and true Justice system that is far superior to the barbaric Sharia from muslim countries…the MAIN reason these nations are so backward, and have never invented anything in this technological age.. EVERYTHING muslim countries use of our technology was invented by us and that hated people , the JOOOS…that must really irk them.. our civilization is superior BECAUSE of our human rights and Judiciary..