Self-imposed sharia, h/t Weasel Zippers via The Red Cross bans Christmas | Mail Online.
Christmas has been banned by the Red Cross from its 430 fund-raising shops.
Staff have been ordered to take down decorations and to remove any other signs of the Christian festival because they could offend Moslems.
The charity’s politically-correct move triggered an avalanche of criticism and mockery last night – from Christians and Moslems.
Christine Banks, a volunteer at a Red Cross shop in New Romney, Kent, said: ‘We put up a nativity scene in the window and were told to take it out. It seems we can’t have anything that means Christmas. We’re allowed to have some tinsel but that’s it.
‘When we send cards they have to say season’s greetings or best wishes. They must not be linked directly to Christmas.
‘When we asked we were told it is because we must not upset Moslems.’
Mrs Banks added: ‘ We have been instructed that we can’t say anything about Christmas and we certainly can’t have a Christmas tree.
‘ I think the policy is offensive to Moslems as well as to us. No reasonable person can object to Christians celebrating Christmas. But we are not supposed to show any sign of Christianity at all.’
Labour peer Lord Ahmed, one of the country’s most prominent Moslem politicians, said: ‘It is stupid to think Moslems would be offended.
‘The Moslem community has been talking to Christians for the past 1,400 years. The teachings from Islam are that you should respect other faiths.’
He added: ‘In my business all my staff celebrate Christmas and I celebrate with them. It is absolutely not the case that Christmas could damage the Red Cross reputation for neutrality – I think their people have gone a little bit over the top.’
The charity’s umbrella body, the Swiss-based International Red Cross, has also had politically-correct doubts about its famous symbol. But efforts to find an alternative were abandoned in the face of protest and ridicule five years ago.
Major Charles Heyman, editor of Jane’s World Armies, said: ‘There is really nothing to hurt the Red Cross in Christmas, is there? Would the Red Crescent stop its staff observing Ramadan?
Rhetorical question no doubt.
Update: Feds try ban Christmas, crosses in Oklahoma, where a judge ruled sharia law is permitted.
Previous posts on the Red Cross.
Red Cross may axe symbol so not to offend Muslims
Red Cross chapter hires ex-fundraiser for radical groups
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OK, I have a Red Cross solicitation on my desk right now. I’ll tell them to ask the Muslims.
If you want share in the crown and glory you have to share in the thorns and the cross.
Amen!!! No pain no gain. God please bestow double portion on your church!!!!!
“The Moslem community has been talking to Christians for the past 1,400 years. The teachings from Islam are that you should respect other faiths” The person who said this never read the Koran or however it is spelled.. The “Red Cross had better never expect anything from me is this is true they should also change their emblem from a cross to something else.
I agree that the majority of Muslims probably do respect others religious rights. It’s the intolerant Muslims (i.e. Obama, HAMAS, IRAN and Saudi Arabia governments) that gives all Muslim’s and their faith a really big black eye.
As far as Red Cross…let them beg off someone else.
Deborah, ” I agree that the majority of muslims probably do respect others religious rights.” You and the like of you are so naive so as no to understand muslims and their cult,/islam, a TRUE muslims will NEVER respect any other religion, here is the reason of it from Quran Sura 5:51 ” O’believers ,take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends and protectors ,for they are friends and protectors of one another.Whoever of you seeks their friendship and supports them shall become one of their number.Allah does NOT guide the wrong doers” a muslim dare not go aginst Allah, please have a look at this http://www.blip.tv/file/1382254 and http://www.thereligionofpeace.com Just boycott Red Cross,as some one said ,let them get donations from muslims.
the red cross is notorious for using donated monies as they see fit…not for the cause for which it is given…..they diminished in my eyes long ago,,,this confirms my decision to give elsewhere.
“Labour peer Lord Ahmed, one of the country’s most prominent Moslem politicians, said: ‘It is stupid to think Moslems would be offended.
‘The Moslem community has been talking to Christians for the past 1,400 years. The teachings from Islam are that you should respect other faiths.’
What a crock! He obviously missed the medina revelations of his man mo.
And yet muslims have the gall to call islam an “Abrahamic” religion. Yet their theology is violently anti-Jew and anti-Christian. They even believe that anyone celebrating Christmas is destined to go to hell.
Why don’t they just come out and admit that they worship mohamud, not God. No loving God would create something as vicious and tyrannical as islam. Judeo-Christianity holds that God is loving. islam would have us worship a monster.
Stop it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! g
Right! It is time for us to get ourselves organised for robust response, and not be pushed from pillar to posts. And we do not have much time for action, really !
“Fear not! They who are with us are more than those who are with the enemies.” 2 King 6:16.
“Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you.” James 4:7
“If God is for us, who can be against us?” Romans 8:31.
Lastly, do remember how true the midrashic dictum is that is found in Kohelet Rabba: “HE WHO IS KIND TO THE CRUEL WILL END UP BEING THE VICTIM OF THE CRUEL TO THE KIND.”
I work for the American Red Cross in DC, and I can tell you that we have not banned Christmas, nor have we banned Christmas decorations in our facilities.
This article is incorrect, and takes the quotes and references from an old article from 2002 about the British Red Cross.
Read more info here:
http://redcrosschat.org/2010/12/17/christmas-and-all-other-holidays-at-the-red-cross/
http://blogs.redcross.org.uk/uk/2010/12/how-the-red-cross-didn%E2%80%99t-steal-christmas/
Thanks,
Gloria Huang
For the record, I work for American Red Cross HQ in Washington. This story is in reference to the British Red Cross NOT the American Red Cross. We have no policy banning religious decorations. Here’s our official public statement:
The American Red Cross has been receiving calls and inquiries about erroneous allegations concerning a “ban on Christmas” that are based on an eight-year-old story about the British Red Cross. Unfortunately, this 2002 story is circulating again on the Internet, causing some people to think it is a new development and prompting questions about the American Red Cross policy regarding holiday decorations in its facilities. The American Red Cross does not ban seasonal or religious décor in its facilities. In fact, in many Red Cross buildings this holiday season, visitors will see Christmas trees and menorahs along with items such Kwanzaa candles, wreaths, bows, garlands and other seasonal decor. While the neutrality of our organization does not allow the Red Cross to promote any specific religious belief, we welcome all of the celebrations of the season.
some muslims and christians ;and jews rationalize the unpleasnant items in thier respective doctrines;this is H uman behavior.The goodly people will simply IGNORE the bones in the beast and eat the meat;R eligion has graduated from the OPIATE OF THE PEOPLE TO THE ARSENIC OF THE PEOPLE AS ALL SOCIETIES SUCCUMB TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BABEL TOWER;THE PRIESTLY CLASSES ALWAYS HABVE CO0NTROLLED THE GOVERNMENT;COVERTLY AND OPENLY AS WELL..The appeasement project is menat to allow a melding of Islamic;christian(in name only)and Jewish thinking into a system of beleifs that can and will used in a court of law against you…..prepare for a worsening INQUISITION.THEY HAVE THE GOLD.YOU HAVE .TOILET PAPER………
CS, Sorry for posting off topic but I can find no way to contact you at all, so FYI, this is a developing story, literally right down my road:
Oak Initiative Members and Friends,
Please take a moment to read the letter below and, most importantly, the attachment. We wanted to inform you of what will be taking place here in our community of Kerr County. The letter is the 3rd correspondence Randy has with the President at MO Ranch.
We encourage you to make phone calls, write letters or email.
MO-Ranch Conference Center
2229 FM 1340
Hunt, TX 78024-3037
Phone: 830-238-4455
Email: David Jordan djordan@moranch.com
As you respond, remember we are Americans. We are not against Muslims, but we are taking a stand against those whose stated objective is to subvert the Constitution of the United States and establish Shari’ah Law in its place.
Dr. Jordan,
Attached you will find additional information that will further substantiate what we discussed on Friday. I trust you will get back to me once you have reviewed it, as you said you would.
You must know that the Oak Initiative, along with other concerned citizens of our community, are taking this event very seriously. ISNA and MYNA are not organizations that we want to welcome into our community. Once you read what I sent, you will find these organizations are known supporters of terrorism. The Department of Justice seems to agree in reference to the Holy Land Foundation trial. In our opinion, if you follow through with your plans in allowing them to come to MO Ranch you will potentially be endangering the citizens of our community. At the very least, in our opinion, MO Ranch and its board members will be complicit by association with organizations that have known terrorist ties.
The Oak Initiative will not engage in any protest, pickets or any other form of activities that will disrupt the event, nor will we encourage others to engage in those activities. It is, however, our intent to alert the community and make it very clear who you have chosen to host.
I am curious how offering ISNA the entire facility for one week during Christmas fits into the MO Ranch mission statement.
Respectfully,
Randy
Oak Initiative
I’m sure if you want more info your server has my email, or I can be contacted through my org’s website.
Thanks, Boots. Good that you are letting us know. I will be writing an email to Mr David Jordan.
Isn’t it terribly ridiculous that those islamic scumbugs came all th way from their Sharialands to the land of Wesleys, John Wycliffe, John Bunyan, just to promote their anti-Quran religion of islamism?
“There is no compulsion in religion. Truth now stands distinct from error.” Al-Baqarah 2:256.
That is why I am stongly against Sharia Laws, as they are anti the good teachings in their Quran and hadiths, and only good for promoting the wrong and bad teachings therein. Sharia Laws are good only for their cover and justification to wage their miliant jihads to take over the whole world for their backward, benighted and senselessly violent World Islamic Caliphate.
To read my enlightening post “A MUSLIM ACADEMIC EXPLAINS WHAT IS ISLAM”,
go this link at:
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/muslims-opposed-to-house-inquiry-into-radicalization-of-muslims/
I willl not be donating to the R%ed Cross ever again. They will have to beg at islams door. Ya know that red cross they use, It’s pretty offensive to me now.
No problem – I can ban the Red Cross from my idea of charitable organizations. If they think that moslems will give to them – think again. Zakat is to go to no non-moslem and part of it is REQUIRED to be given to their violent jihadists and stealth jihadists. moslems call that ‘charity’.
and since the Red Cross is aiding the violent jihadists – I think that it is about time EVERY non-moslem stop giving to the Red Cross!
I’m VERY OFFENDED by the Red Cross abandoning their Christian upbringing. Christ would weep for them.
Shame on them.
A sick destructive agenda by the PC politically correct. They are using the Muslims to further their agenda.
It has nothing to do with Jews or Muslims. It is a group of warped sick individuals that should be sent to the Asylum for the Insane.
Their vision of America belongs in the wet garbage.
I will look for them in the next plugged toilet I clear.
Labour peer Lord Ahmed, one of the country’s most prominent muslim politician said, ‘It is stupid to think muslims would be offended.’ The muslims community has been talking to Christians or the past 1400 years.The teaching from Islam are that you should respect other faiths”. From Muslim’s Quran Sura 4:48″ Allah will NOT forgive those who ASSOCIATE other Gods with him,but he will forgive whom he will for other sins.He that ASSOCIATES other Gods with Him is guilty of a heinous son” Look like Ahmed is talking from his back side. Does he NOT know what his brother muslims are doing to Christians in muslim countries? He should see http://www.compassdirect.org I suggest to you all to read this Book ” The Decline Of Eastern Christianity Under Islam ” By Bat Ye’or it is an eye opener. Stop donation to Red Cross even in USA, they are all the same. See how Laura, cleverly has avoided the use of word ‘Christmas’ in her last lines.” While the neutrality…..we welcome all of the celebrations of the season” And why she did not say, ” the celebrations of ‘ CHRISTMS ‘” Laura, Please read my other comments. Some times I feel people like you are more dangerous then Jihadist among us. http://www.islam-watch.org and http://www.theopinionator.typepad.com
Did anyone see the 20 million (or something like that) Christmas tree in DUBAI! I guess all Muslims are not offended by Christmas trees…
Someone got paid off…I would bet the farm.
The prince of Dubai is not stupid – tourism is a HUGE part of that economy… He knows that. That is why they built the Palm Islands and the World islands. They have the world’s most expensive hotel… I have been to Dubai and TRUST ME – they are not the pious Muslims that you may think… I was taken to a privat bar where alcohol was served and we danced all night… Dubai and Bahrain are the two places that Muslims go to do all the things they can’t in their own countries… It is like their “Vegas”…
Of course moslems had been talking to almost everyone to promote their selfish islamic totalitarian political agenda. It would be better to stop talking to them.
Quote…. ‘The Moslem community has been talking to Christians for the past 1,400 years. The teachings from Islam are that you should respect other faiths.’….Unquote
The taqiya never stops
The pact of umar
The pact of Umar is an agreement between the Christians of Syria (whom fell under the occupation of the Muslim invaders) and Umar Ibn Al-Khattab the second successor (khalifa) of Muhammad.
In this pact, Umar agreed to allow the Christians to keep practicing their faith with several conditions. Muslims claim that this pact shows how tolerant Islam was in dealing with non-Muslims in newly invaded territories.
Contrary to that claim, this pact was very humiliating to Christians, clearly showing how arrogant and oppressive the Muslims were in dealing with non-Muslims who fell under their rule. Although the pact was written to seem like the Christians themselves had drafted it, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the terms were actually dictated on them!
Sadly, there are some naïve Christians who reiterate the Muslims’ propaganda without ever bothering to read the details of the pact. In fact, some Christians are so stupid that they brag about it more than the Muslims do! A recently elected Christian Orthodox patriarch praised the pact in his speech during a reception held in his honor in Jordan!
The “Pact of Umar” reflects the general teaching of Islam concerning non-Muslims, and accordingly, millions of Christians continue to live as second class citizens in Islamic countries.
The following is a translation of the pact:
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The Status of Non-Muslims Under Muslim Rule We heard from ‘Abdul-Rahman Ibn Ghanam [died in year 78 H. 697 AD.] as follows: When Umar Ibn Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, accorded a peace to the Christians of Syria, we wrote to him as follows:
In the name of Allah, the Merciful and Compassionate. This is a letter to the servant of Allah Umar [ibn al-Khattab], Commander of the Faithful, from the Christians of such-and-such a city. When you came against us, we asked you for safe-conduct (aman) for ourselves, our descendants, our property, and the people of our community, and we undertook the following obligations toward you:
ARTICLES OF THE Pact of Umar
We Christians:
1 – We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries,
2 – churches,
3 – convents,
4 – or monks’ cells,
5 – nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such of them as fall in ruins
6 – or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims. . . .
7- We shall not give shelter in our churches or in our dwellings to any spy,
8 – nor hide him from the Muslims. We shall not teach the Quran to our children.
9 – We shall not manifest our religion publicly
10 – nor convert anyone to it.
11 – We shall not prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it.
12 – We shall show respect toward the Muslims, and
13 – we shall rise from our seats if they wish to sit.
14 – We shall not seek to resemble the Muslims by imitating any of their garments, the headgear, the turban, footwear, or the parting of the hair.
15 – We shall not speak as they do,
16 – nor shall we adopt their honorific names.
17 – We shall not mount on saddles,
18- nor shall we gird swords nor bear any kind of arms nor carry them on our persons.
19 – We shall not engrave Arabic inscriptions on our seals.
20 – We shall not sell fermented drinks. . . .
21 – We shall not display our crosses or our books in the roads or markets of the Muslims.
22 – We shall only use clappers in our churches very softly.
23 – We shall not raise our voices in our church services or in the presence of Muslims,
24 – nor shall we raise our voices when following our dead.
25 – We shall not show lights on any of the roads of the Muslims or in their markets.
26 – We shall not bury our dead near the Muslims.
27 – We shall not take slave who have been allotted to the Muslims.
28 – We shall not build houses over-topping the houses of the Muslims. . . .
(When I brought the letter to Umar, he added, “And we shall not strike a Muslim. We accept these conditions for ourselves and for the people of our community, and in return we receive safe-conduct.
If we in any way violate these undertakings for which we ourselves stand surety, we forfeit our covenant [dhimma], and we become liable to the penalties for contumacy and sedition.
Umar Ibn Al-Khittab replied: Sign what they ask, but add two clauses and impose them in addition to those which they have undertaken. They are: “They shall not buy anyone made prisoner by the Muslims,” and “Whoever strikes a Muslim with deliberate intent shall forfeit the protection of this pact.”
Pact of Umar
ISLAM…WHERE THE DEVIL IS ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS
This story demonstrates why nothing an Islamist says can be taken at face value. Every statement and utterance needs to be thoroughly analysed, or “unpacked”.
Before anyone comments on the Muslimization of the USA and planet Earth…they should know of what they speak. They should read the Qur’an (Koran) quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html
.very carefully. Look up DHIMMITUDE and TAQIYYA, and research Shariah Law.
ISLAM a peaceful religion? …NO Moderate MUSLIMS?… No.
ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE QUR’AN (KORAN)! And what does it say? The following excerpts are just three examples that are anything but loving, civilized or peaceful….”
From:
http://smartgirlpolitics.ning.com/profiles/blogs/islamwhere-the-devil-is-always
MUSLIMS IN PAKISTAN BURN, BEAT CHRISTIAN EVANGELIST UNCONSCIOUS
An evangelist is still recovering from burns after six young Muslim men beat him with clubs and belts and set him on fire last month in a village near this Punjab Province city …
From: http://www.persecution.org/2010/12/14/muslims-in-pakistan-burn-beat-evangelist-unconscious/
ONE WAY TO PUT UP A ROBUST RESPONSE IS FOR CHRISTIANS TO INTIATIVE LEGAL ACTIONS
This is what ACLJ i snow doing over the LCC’s cancellation of a class on Islam.
Read on–
“The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) is threatening to sue Lane Community College if it doesn’t rehire Barry Sommer and reinstate the “What is Islam?” class he was supposed to teach.
The ACLJ was founded by Pat Robertson.
Sommer was scheduled to teach the class until the Islamic Council for American-Islamic relations protested, saying the class would be anti-Islamic.
Its critics though say the group is tied to the terrorist group Hamas.
The ACLJ is giving the school until next Wednesday to respond and take corrective action or face possible legal action in federal court.”
From: http://kezi.com/news/local/197347
The class is being taught elsewhere; Somner probably lost his standing to sue.
The class though should not have been canceled.
SOME LIBERALS ARE WORKING OVVERTIME, SUCH AS ACLU THREATENING SCHOOLS WITH DOOM IF THEY PROMOTE CHRISTMAS
But, as usual, when it comes to celeratin Muslim holidays, they bend backwards to appease and accommodate, say, “Ah hem! Well,…No lah, the minorities should not be deprived of their relgious cultures. You know, this is America”
But dissenters remain. An atheist put up an anti-Christmas billboard outside the Lincoln Tunnel in New Jersey that reads: “You KNOW it’s a myth. This season, celebrate REASON!” Some liberals believe that Muslims, Jews and atheists might feel “left out and offended” of the Christmas revelry.
You know, I would like to celebrate reason, too. That’s why I support honoring a federal holiday that allows citizens a day off to think about a man who changed history by preaching “love your neighbor as yourself.”
“In this battle for the hearts and minds of commuters, the atheists seem to have been overly belligerent, although it is understandable that they get a little testy this time of year” so noted New York Times columnist Gail Collins.
But why would any rational person get testy about a federal holiday that brings joy to the majority of their countrymen and helps the economy, to boot? As a Christian, I don’t mind the winter solstice people doing whatever it is they do. If it involves ice hockey, I might even participate. Why resent the happiness of others, especially if no harm is being done? That’s not reasonable.
Well, I feel left out when folks eat onions because my stomach can’t tolerate them. That’s just the way it goes. Muslims, Jews, Hindus and most every other religious group have their own special days, do they not?
From: http://townhall.com/columnists/BillOReilly/2010/12/18/a_very_liberal_christmas
Because this year, we lose a day of productivity (where I am, December 24 is considered Christmas Day Observed). Celebrate it on 12/25 – not 12/24 or 12/26.
Christmas had been a national holiday in many western countries and should remained so whether anyone wish to celebrate it or not. It is up to individuals whether they wish to celebrate it or not on any other day. What I find it offensive is when a draconian totalitarian ideology seeks to impose their celebration( that is heavilly tainted with an intolerant ideology ) on us nonbelievers.
So, why should we, nonbelievers shop at harrods or any proislamic establishment, during Christmas time, if having the money to do so and given a choice?
Whether by design or by intention, those various religious festivals were meant to exclude poor nonbelievers or not, so be it, as long as they don’t force us, nonbelievers to join in their meaningless, superficial festivals or seek to only enrich proislamic organisation.
i will not stand back and let them take our british tradition away
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I love how you are all anti-muslim, but you don’t see that you are all bat-shit crazy in your own retarded beliefs. Christianity has a much worse track record than any other religion in the world. The problem isn’t the muslims or the christans or the jews…..the problem is religion. You are all brainwashed into believing that there is an invisible-sky-daddy that you have a personal relationship with, who wants you to hate certain groups of people….time to grow up…..there is no such thing as ghosts, witches, gods, devils or demons. Try reading a book that isn’t mythology, because you have all demonstrated that you can’t tell the difference between fiction and truth.
How the Red Cross didn’t steal Christmas
By Alix Miller
December 17, 2010 at 10:52 am
This is a guest blog from Charles Williams, our editorial manager:
Yesterday, we started getting some comments on our Facebook page from people angry with us for ‘banning Christmas’, which we haven’t, and the story now seems to be spreading on some American websites.
It turns out that these people have stumbled across an article that appeared in the Daily Mail in 2002 and now forms part of the paper’s online archive. Unfortunately, the article isn’t dated on the Mail’s site, which had led some people to believe this was a current news story – although references in it to Sangatte, the Calais refugee camp that closed in 2002, do serve to date it. We denied the gist of the piece strongly at the time.
Christmas is a major UK holiday and time of celebration, which is shared by people of all faiths and those of no faith. Many of our shops and offices are decked out in festive decorations around this time of year – we also sell a range of Christmas cards and gifts in our shops, both high street and online.
It’s true that you won’t find explicitly religious items or displays, relating to any faith, in any of our shops, at Christmas or any other time. But this certainly doesn’t amount to a ban on us celebrating or mentioning Christmas, or any other holiday. And it’s absolutely nothing to do with “offending non-Christians” or to serve any other sort of politically correct agenda.
The point is that the Red Cross is not a political or religious organisation. This neutrality is one of our fundamental principles and governs everything we do in the whole Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement. It means that we can reach and help people in need, whoever and wherever they are. Often we provide help in countries that other organisations cannot or will not work in.
We cross front lines in times of war to help conflict victims and visit prisoners of war on both sides. We can only do this life-saving work because we are understood to be a completely neutral, independent organisation. Put simply, our neutrality saves lives.
We can’t let people in need down by compromising our neutrality. That is why we do not align ourselves with any particular political cause or religious creed anywhere in the world. And that’s why we don’t have any items of a religious nature in our shops.
A nativity scene in a shop in Kent might seem like it has nothing to do with our sensitive, precarious work in a war zone in Africa or the Middle East. But in a world where information travels quickly and pervasively – a world where an eight-year-old news story is still raising questions with our supporters – we have to make sure we act consistently across the board with regard to our neutrality.
We wish all our supporters a merry Christmas and a happy new year!
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