Obama & Romney’s elitist ignorance on Islam

via WND, Obama/Romney’s elitist ignorance on Islam.

William Murray rips both for thinking more wealth will ‘moderate’ nations

The final debate between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama Oct. 22 was depressing to watch. The Romney camp had made the decision that only the economy matters in this election, and so arguments about foreign affairs should be avoided. As a result, Mitt Romney won the debate by agreeing with Obama on all major foreign-affairs issues, only differing on how to reach roughly the same goals.

During the debate, it became clear that neither Romney nor Obama understands that there are 2.5 million Christians in Syria – over 10 percent of the population. Not a single mention was made of the Syrian Christians or a solution for them. Both men want the overthrow of the secular government of Syria, and both have vivid imaginations of a Jeffersonian democracy being installed there. That went real well for George W. Bush in Iraq and Afghanistan, didn’t it?

Both Romney and Obama clearly stated policies that would actually hand over the nation of Syria to the Muslim Brotherhood, as has already been done by Obama in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya. The persecution of Christians in those new Muslim Brotherhood nations was not addressed at all.

Any Christian with enough money is fleeing Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood president just this past week was at a mosque where he prayed this public prayer with the imam:

“Oh Allah, absolve us of our sins, strengthen us, and grant us victory over the infidels. Oh Allah, destroy the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, disperse them, rend them asunder. Oh Allah, demonstrate Your might and greatness upon them. Show us Your omnipotence, oh Lord.”

The Muslim Brotherhood president of Egypt is praying to “destroy the Jews,” yet both Romney and Obama want yet another Muslim Brotherhood nation on the borders of Israel.

Obama just flat out favors Islam. Romney agrees with Obama on the Middle East out of ignorance. Romney is an elitist who has done business with “nice” Muslims in the past and can see no problems with “normal” Islam. He may not have a problem with them, but they sure have a problem with him. In Islam, there is a special hatred for Mormons because they are not considered “dhimmi” or “people of the book” as are Christians.

As the debate continued, both Romney and Obama said that the solution to fighting radical Islam is economic development. Both believe that making Muslims richer will make them moderate and pro-Western.

HELLO! The 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, one of the wealthiest nations in the world. Most of them had college educations. Well-educated and wealthy Muslims are the leaders of every terrorist group. Osama bin Laden had enormous wealth, and his family still does. The current leader of al-Qaida is a medical doctor.

My message to Romney and Obama: Making madmen rich does not make them moderate; it only allows them to buy better weapons. The idea of a debt-ridden nation such as ours sending money to the wealthy oil nations of the Middle East to make them “moderate” is the most absurd thought process ever. There is no rational logic that can lead to the conclusion that raising the standard of living of a nation makes its leaders more moderate.

Iran is not a poor nation. Even with the sanctions against Iran, the nation and its people are well off. The nation is well-educated and turns out more doctors and engineers per capita than the United States. By the Romney/Obama logic, all we need to do is raise the standard of living further in Iran, and they will all become “moderate.” That is flat out nuts.

For more on that read: Couriers carrying millions in gold bullion to Iran in their luggage to beat Western sanctions

Islam must be contained, because civilizing it is simply not possible. When that is understood by an American president, progress can be made toward a rational solution in the Middle East that protects Israel and the Christian minorities of Arab nations.

Update: We all know Obama’s position and as one reader noted he is not ignorant on Islam. Romney’s position, from 2009:  Mitt Romney: Jihadism Is Not Part of Islam

I didn’t refer to Islam at all, or to any other religion for that matter. I spoke about three major threats America faces on a long term basis. Jihadism is one of them, and that is not Islam. If you want my views on Islam, it’s quite straightforward. Islam is one of the world’s great religions and the great majority of people in Islam want peace for themselves and peace with their maker. They want to raise families and have a bright future.

There is, however, a movement in the world known as jihadism. They call themselves jihadists and I use the same term. And this jihadist movement is intent on causing the collapse of moderate Muslim states and the assassination of moderate Muslim leaders. It is also intent on causing collapse of other nations in the world. It’s by no means a branch of Islam. It is instead an entirely different entity. In no way do I suggest it is a part of Islam.

And a few days ago as we told you here, he is ready to use your tax dollars to fund the good jihadists in Syria:

 

46 Responses

  1. Let’s face it. This election is about the lesser of the evils. I did not vote for Mitt Romney in our primary. I voted for one of the people who understands the global jihad and the Islamic threat.

    • I wish you or someone could please explain this to me. IF the end goal is to have NWO…why the hell are they allowing the Muslims to continue infiltrating all countries?
      These people can’t run their own countries much less take over another to make it prosperous and peaceful?
      IF the elites are behind the NWO, it seems they would WANT a productive, civilized people. NAME ONE MUSLIM COUNTRY that isn’t at war and productive as a society. ONE!

      • Isn’t the NWO basically a concept from the book of Revelation?

        • I really don’t know. Do you have any information on that before we can offer an intelligent comment?

        • I went ahead and looked it up. YES, it is spoken of in the Bible:
          This is ONLY ONE of the Scriptures:
          Revelation 20:4-6 ESV / 49 helpful votes

          Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

          http://www.openbible.info/topics/new_world_order

    • You took the words right out of my mouth “lessor of two idiots”! The government will never admit that there is an Islamic threat. Hence, they will never respond to it. It will be up to the people to fight county by county, city by city, block by block and house by house. Purchase guns & ammo while it is legal and available.

      • The military would never dis-arm the people. People will never give up their guns willingly.

        One other thing….when the SHTF….let the Military and those who have trained to do this job handle it unless asked to assist. Keep out of the way, protect yourself and loved ones, and do as requested by the military.

        Be prepared!

        • That’s good advice. We both have heard too many people talk about “lock ‘n load”…they really aren’t understanding the full ramifications of that.
          IF the Military needs help, they will let it be known; and I know Americans will drop everything to Save Their Country.

        • Never, what happened in New Orleans?

          Redneck – can’t reply to your comment below so adding it here.

          Ok so it was under Bush. Bush got the Patriot Act passed, and Obama extended it and took it further with NDAA.

          What branch(s) of the military are constitutionally permitted to enforce civil law (or any other law) in the United States?

          And if it gets to the point where someone has to decide between acting like a “jackass” or fearing a military response, isn’t it too late?

          Don’t forget DHS, IRS and all the other now well armed government militias.

          • New Orleans was under the Bush Administration. Looting and such was going on, if I remember correctly.
            Under the Obama error….the Military is not under Obama’s thumb. They will not follow that order…especially across all of America to do so. I have it from a darn good source…..High up in Command….that the Military leaders have already told the troops that they won’t be giving that order. They will take the guns away from those who think they can cause more chaos and mayhem ( ie: criminals) but they won’t disarm the citizens that are following the rules. The Military Leaders have also told the troops….that if they give the order to fire upon citizens that are not firing upon them or attacking innocent citizens or are not attacking a Military installation, they are to shoot the one who gives the order and anyone who is willing to follow that order!
            So…..yes…the Military will not be taking guns away from citizens. The Military will follow the 2nd Amendment. The guns they take away will be from those who are not being nice citizens! Wanna keep your gun…don’t be a stupid jack ass.

    • The problem with that logic is that the last election was also about the lesser of two evils – “anyone but Bush” even though Bush wasn’t running.

      This time it’s “anyone but Obama”. Next time people will say “anyone but ‘fill in the blank'”.

      Voting for the lesser evil is not a principled vote and it is premised on the notion you are expecting more evil, just less of it.

      Regardless, the local and state issues are equally important and reason not to skip the vote altogether.

      • Are you going to turn the president’s page on election day? I am wondering how historically informed you are. Are you a reader? Do you know your history? There are no perfect historic analogies, true. I am not saying Obama is a Hitler but he is plenty evil. Can we not at least agree on that? Or do you think Obama is a Muslim-born saint? If you were a Jew living in Germany in the early nineteen thirties, would you vote for the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) or the lesser of the evils, the left-leaning Social Democratic party? Or would you simply stay home and wait to be murdered (you and your family) or shipped off to a concentration camp?

  2. Mr. Obama is not ignorant on Islam. He has told us that he has known Islam on 3 continents. He is not telling the people of The United States the dangers that Islam can bring. Look up Sedition and Treason.
    People in The Armed Forces take an oath to The Constitution Of The United States. People following Islam hold Sharia Law and The Koran highest so incidents like this show where the true loyalties are. Look up Sedition and Treason as they can apply. You can not treat cancer by calling it candy and licking it. Sorry folks, that’s a little thing called REALITY. If it acts like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. Not “If it trying to kill you and take over the world it’s a girl scout selling cookies” . Think about what they are selling compared to what they are doing. Look around the world.

    Just as having a little bit of AIDS and being Just a little Pregnant is not stopped without major intervention, the same is true with Sharia and its spread.

    Islam ” The Religion of Peace” ,said often. The actions of its followers show a different story.

    • Can someone commit treason against America if he is not an American? I am not talking about his citizenship. Is Nidal Hasan a traitor or a good soldier of Allah? Idiots and naifs voted for this dangerous man in 2008. Idiots will vote for him next month.

      • That is an excellent question. What is the punishment for spies and acts against the Country he swore to defend as well as defending the Constitution? They should be placing him in front of a firing squad. He IS/WAS A citizen and member of the Military…so that is Treason.

      • He ( Obama) passed himself off as an American, he holds the highest seat in America….I’d say he can have his special firing squad charge him with Treason and find him guilty, then hear the firing squad doing their loyal duty. If he wishes to announce afterwards that he’s not an American and that he was unjustly deserving of being charged with Treason, then he can appeal the decision from the depths of Hades!

        Lots of Dead voted for him in 2008…I think they’ll be voting for him again this year if he has anything to say about it!

  3. We will be forced to continue voting for RINOs if we don’t take our own party back! Enough of this! Lets do it!

  4. There is a major difference here; Romney is basically a good guy who doesn’t want to ruin this important campaign by calling out the obvious Muslim threat, Obam is someone who has SUPPORTED the Muslim threat. Don’t be misled by tactics, Romney understands the threat of Islam, and he understands the importance of this election in US history. We must do EVERYTHING possible to defeat Obama in 2 weeks – nothing overrides this.

    • Upaces….

      I also was there with you trying to inform people before the Convention! Nobody wanted to listen to it…their minds were already made up and they didn’t want to be confused with the facts! Talk about killing the messenger!

      It’s all over now except for the crying! I can hear them now..”Why didn’t someone tell us!”….we did…..you just didn’t want to listen.

      • I know you were. I didn’t want to bring up anyone’s name. Most people are very busy and don’t have the time to be on enough to piece one event + outcome and how it builds from there. I ope I get all of the information as it happened .. one event after another.

        Remember when we also saw what was happening right before the Florida Caucus?

        God Bless Ron Paul’s little heart. He was the ONLY one who stood up against the corruption (and I am not even an avid follower of RP). People were being threatened to vote for Romney OR ELSE. In other words, it was NOT a done deal yet for Romney…we still had a chance! He won; and now people were released to vote their conscience(s).

        Romney was being shoved at us forcefully. Gingrich, Bachman and Palin had decided to create a Brokered Convention to take back the power FOR us. That is when all hell broke loose!”

        Suddenly! The members of the Caucus suddenly become so sceeered of a Possible Storm coming, they decided to call in their votes! Following that excuse was they were sceered of the OWS (you know… the kids and people who come out of their basements with their $300 cell phones).
        (the one and only time in history).

        There were cars designated to “trap” the cars of KNOWN people who would have voted for Gingrich, Bachman and Palin. I don’t know how they found out.
        I know you also remember that just AT the right time, They were losing ground FOR ROMNEY…SO! THE RNC decides that from this point on, WE THE PEOPLE no longer could vote for WHO and WHO IS NOT ALLOWED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!

        In other words, this is the first step for POLITICIANS to decide for the rest of us who CAN and WHO CANNOT RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!!

        This, my friends, is the base for the NWO. Think about it. IF WE don’t get to choose…and each nation of the population does’t get to choose…guess who does?
        The powers that be in each country DECIDES for the people who can and cannot run!
        WE ARE IN DEEP CHIT!

      • The MSM is not telling people the truth, they are all on the left, even FOX is cowed, going only so far……. Even the Benghazi embassy is almost a ‘non issue’, or if they do report on it, they just parrot Obama’s words–lies.

        Obama has one goal–the rise of islam, and how to aid it, and that is why, more than at any time in the past, you MUST get rid of Obama. Politics is a sleazy game; bad enough here in Canada, but I can’t believe how bad it is in the US, and 90% of the dirt coming from the Democrat side.

    • You shouldn’t be misled by a smooth talking face who clearly doesn’t associate jihad with Islam and has made that clear by naively thinking he can distinguish between the good jihadists and the bad jihadists in Syria and has stated he will give more of our taxpayer dollars to the good jihadists and even would like to give them tanks and anti-aircraft missiles.

      He stated his position long before this election and if we didn’t post this previously here….scratch that… will add it to the post above.

  5. I hope I can explain all of this so you can understand. I am getting angry all over again and having a hard time putting the information in step-by-step on how it happened! I hope I am able to say everything to help anyone on here understand just how much corruption has been going on “FOR: ROMNEY” I cannot tell you how many times that we (about 8 of us) were blasted and actually “banned” from a Tea Party site for bringing up the same above information (you said it better…but the information was about the same).

    I first want to preface my statements with: It doesn’t matter if anyone is FOR or AGAINST Michelle Bachman and/or Newt Gingrich. What does matter is that they were kicked to the curb because of how they stood UP for us vs. Muslims infiltrating our Govt.. it has been going on since the beginning of the presidential runs by when Bachman and Gingrich tried to warn us: Both were VERY outspoken as well as West; but was not as visible,..concerning the Muslim influence and the corruption of politicians in our Federal Government.

    You have your own responsibilities here with your site and you certainly could not have the time to be on ALL the blogs…I wish you could have seen and “EXPERIENCED” the corruption that has been going on ON the blog sites FOR Romney. We continued to inform people with the Good, the Bad and the Ugly about Romney so they wouldn’t be blindsided later. I get very angry when I hear people say, “OMG, I didn’t know that!” That WAS the intent of explaining everything to those on blogs so they would know who they were voting for and what he is capable of. We heard things like, “well, we’ll just have to hold his feet to the fire.” WHAT?!!!!

    A pattern of corruption began right after Gingrich’s numbers were higher than Romney’s. Romney people took over Gingrich’s banning everyone mentioning that THEY DECIDED to take over his site giving the excuse that it was what Gingrich would have wanted!!

    Then attacks on Bachman came also from the Media and the politicians when she .tried ti warn us of Muslim infiltration in D.C.

    Maybe it is because we have “54” Politicians in D.C. who receive $$ from HAMAS and CAIR: They have all become whores for the Muslims.

    http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/06/18/criminal-54-members-of-congress-commit-treason-taking-money-from-hamas/

  6. Romney is cozying up to Islamists himself, and it is awful for America

    Romney recently had an Arab Americans for Romney event, broadcast it on his website

    One of the Arabs who signed on was Grover Norquist’s wife

    Norquist has been connected to MANY Islamist groups for over a decade now

    We are getting the same as we had with Obama, only with a better smile

    Romney announces his Islamic sympathies

    NOT A JOKE

    THIS IS HIS OWN WEBSITE

    http://www.mittromney.com/news/press/2012/10/romney-president-announces-arab-americans-romney

    Grover Norquist and Islam exposed by Frank Gaffney

    http://www.mega.nu/ampp/gaffney_on_norquist.html

    In Gaffney’s 10-part series on the Muslim Brotherhood in America, he nails Norquist numerous times, he is in bed with Islamists just as bad as Obama, maybe more

    http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/

    • James, Dixie and I + others have been kicked off sites for trying to warn people about Romney. We were even banned from a “TEA PARTY SITE (Tea Party Org) to be exact…for trying to get them to stand up and make noise.
      I have a list of “10” Tea Party leaders from Texas to California. They had become the “Enforcers” for Romney and the Republican Party. I was shocked!!! As I stated above, I just send your information about Romney to all “10”. I sure hope the assholes are happy now! They have helped the Muslims get a stronger foothold in the USA!!!

  7. Coptic Christians in Egypt need help getting the hell out of their own country, it was once a Christian Nation and as we, the U.S knows full well, it is only a matter of time 10% of our population will be Muslim.

    Once that occurs, phase four kicks in and that is when all hell breaks lose against non Muslims, we will not have weapons to defend ourselves in the streets by this time..

    Our best solution is to begin, ban mosque, ban muslims elected officials, ban prison muslim chaplains, ban muslim police department, ban muslim professors from our school systems, ban interfaith sharing with muslims, ban religious pluralism with muslims, ban no go zones in Dearborn.

    Establish laws against those who take the oath of citizenship then support jihad against America……

  8. It boils down to this: OBUMMMA LIED, AMERICANS DIED!!! Remember this when you vote on NOV. 6th. LOCK AND LOAD!!!

    • omega….

      Do you really think it will be much different with Romney in the Captain’s chair?

      I know that there really is no choice now…Romney is slightly better than Obama…but he’s the only choice now. He may get Americans working again but I see no difference when it comes to fighting the enemy.

      I don’t wish to offend anyone here but did you know that Islam and Mormonism hold many similarities to each other? Just google “similarities of Mormonism and Islam”….you’ll find a long list to choose from to read. Only one difference is…mormons don’t kill apostates.

      If you would rather I post some that I have…just let me know! This is why Islam doesn’t see Mormons as the people of the book.

      • Dixie, you are absolutely right 100%.
        There was a convention early in the summer of Mormons with speakers of compare/contrast Mormons/Islam.

        You and I watched and experienced having Romney shoved down our throats. We were banned on sites (one Tea Party site in particular) for giving “accurate” information about Romney.

        We know that Newt Gingrich and Michelle Bachman were kicked to the curb due to their stand on Muslims in our federal govt. Just three days prior to that, Newt’s Poll numbers were ridiculously higher than Romney’s.

        Romney WILL get people back to work; however, he worries me due to his pandering to the Muslim population. He has already spoken out that he has plans to build a Charter School for Islamists on the U.S. Tax $$.

      • Romney is simply going to be a lot more sophisticated (common terms: “SLICKER”) in how he deals with the Muslims.
        However! In the end, he will find out the hard way (and TOO LATE) that he made a mistake that will turn very into very EVIL events and outcomes in believing they would work with him.

        HE IS NWO.

  9. I am still deeply concerned. We will have “another” president who panders to Musilms while we also have “54” Politicians in D.C. accepting $$ from HAMAS and CAIR:
    See if your representative is one of them:

    http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/06/18/criminal-54-members-of-congress-commit-treason-taking-money-from-hamas/

    Examine that thought closely. We will have a president who panders to Muslims PLUS “54” Politicians who Receive $ from CAIR and HAMAS.

    Doesn’t that disturb anyone?

    • He will but at least he does not hate this country to my knowledge. Nor does he hate free enterprise and private property. If you are worried about Muslims taking over America, Romney might buy you some time to arrange an “escape” plan. If Obama is re-elected, all bets are off.

    • Interesting. My guess is, most of these 54 are Democrats. I wonder how many are Republicans.

      • I gave you the list…you can check to see if your guy is on there.

        • Does not appear any here in Fla. are getting money from CAIR / Hamas.

        • Still, Republicans support a Muslim-enemy state in Israel’s heartland, just like the Democrats; sadly.

          • Yeah….that should make Israel feel all warm and cozy with Romney. He went there and received funds from Americans there for this Election. He met with Netanyahu. Yet he can’t understand that Islam is as it is…..there are no good islamists to give weapons to. That idea happened in Afghanistan also! Give them American weapons to fight the Rooskies. Look how thankful they have been for such a generous gift! Romney isn’t playing with full flippin’ picnic basket!

  10. It makes me crazy when I hear there is a radical islam, or extremists, or terrorists and cannot, or will not, explain the difference between moderate and extremist islam or moslems. Especially when jihad is to be waged by ALL moslems and only when there are enough violent jihadists can they wage jihad via the pen/word (all forms of deception), their wealth (zakat of which part of it is required to fund their violent jihadists), or any strategy or tactic that advances islam.

  11. It just keeps getting worse and worse and worse…and yet he is still sitting there in OUR WH.

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