Muslims turning residential NJ home into mosque for 150+

Our previous post on this mosque failed to note that the mosque is being built where a home sits in a residential neighborhood.

We confused it with the Mosque planned in an upscale residential New Jersey neighborhood a few miles away, which is just a few miles away from a 30,000-square-foot, $7M mosque in Franklin Township, not far from the Muslim Center of Middlesex County. It’s creeping in NJ.

via Basis For Calculating Mosque Parking and Traffic Questioned – Basking Ridge, NJ Patch.

A traffic consultant representing the Islamic Society of Basking Ridge, which has proposed building a mosque in place of a private home at 124 Church Street in Liberty Corner, on Thursday faced questions about the validity of his calculations on traffic and adequate parking at the facility.

The consultant, Henry J. Ney, is scheduled to return at a continuation of the public hearing on the proposed mosque at a special Planning Board meeting set for 7:30 p.m. on Wednesday, Nov. 28.

Ney, speaking about a plan that calls for 50 parking spaces to accommodate services and activities within the proposed 4,200-square-foot mosque, said that in conducting his traffic study he at least doubled what would be the anticipated number of vehicles for some activities.

It’s an affluent area but what home accommodates 50 parking spaces and it what Jersey suburb do 150 people arrive in just 50 cars? There will be at least 100 cars if not many more. Not to mention potential cabbies trekking Muslims to the area.

Ney said he based his calculations on the plan’s estimates of a maximum of 150 worshippers at one time attending the primary Friday weekly service at 1 p.m. to 2 p.m., a time he said would not even come close to interfering with traffic generated by the dismissal of students from the nearby Liberty Corner Elementary School.

Ney added that Somerset County already has given its seal of approval to the proposed traffic plan, which would have cars heading to the center entering and exiting to Church Street via a loop driveway.

But while Ney said he based his estimates for traffic on generally accepted averages for churches and other public gatherings — with an anticipated three persons arriving per car — questions from the board and public centered on whether fewer passengers would be in each vehicle arriving at mosque services.

Upon questioning, Ney said he had spent some time observing traffic heading to a much larger mosque already located in Holmdel, and said he had seen most cars arriving for Friday services there carrying one or two occupants per vehicle.

During public questions, resident Lori Caratzola, as had others, asked whether the basis of three occupants per vehicle in the traffic study had assumed that on average parents and a child might be attending a church or other house of worship.

Ney said that the estimate is based on average vehicle occupancy for any place with public gatherings.

In that case, Caratzola said, the destination likely would be a location where people would be coming together, rather than attendees primarily arriving from work in the middle of the day.

As board members and residents continued to ask whether the traffic patterns for a mosque would be different than any other house of worship — a permitted use in the residential zone where the property is located — Vincent Bisogno, attorney for the Islamic Society of Basking Ridge, objected to the relevance of the questions.

“I think the board is concerned about whether there will be sufficient parking for those attending,” said Planning Board Attorney Jonathan Drill.

The Planning Board’s attorney, Frank Banisch, said he had calculated that the occupancy for the proposed prayer service area for the mosque, given the size of prayer mats, would be 168, rather than 150, which would call for at least six more required parking spaces, even on the estimated basis of three occupants per vehicle.

If the numbers at the Friday prayer service are higher than anticipated, Ali Chaudry, president of the Islamic Society, a township resident and former member of the Township Committee, said that a second service could potentially be added prior to the 1 p.m. service.

Other board members said that minutes from a prior meeting said that Chaudry had suggested that a second service could be added after the first service — which could potentially bring more traffic into the area when the Liberty Corner School was dismissing students — but Chaudry maintained that he would not have made that suggestion.

In a mosque, “Friday prayer service is never after 2 p.m.,” Bisogno said, conveying information from Chaudry.

Although numbers probably would be much smaller, Ney also said his traffic report had factored in 25 — and even 50 cars — for worshippers expected to attend sunrise services and a small Sunday school.

But others at the meeting asked whether weddings and other events at the mosque potentially could bring in larger numbers of people at the proposed 4,200-square-foot structure.

Ney said he had performed his study in early December 2011, and had calculated that the mosque’s construction would have no impact on local traffic. He said that the estimated 50 vehicles at the mosque’s busiest time of the week — the Friday service — would not add up to sufficient traffic to have studied whether it would add to stacking of cars at a recently installed four-way stop at Church Street and Somerville Road.

A year old study with no future estimates on the growth of Muslims in and to the area?

Ney was asked to provide additional information, including the basis for his traffic calculations prior to the Nov. 28 special meeting. Public questions on his testimony are expected to continue on that date.

 Someone present at the meeting reported, “Many residents questioned him to the point where he exploded in anger.” He must have a lot riding on this deal.

16 Responses

  1. so many mosques being built… why?
    ah, but to ask such a question would have me labeled as an islamaphobe….. the reality is that there is a phobia with some citizens.. Christophobes…..

  2. Mosques…hmmm…if they build them, they will come and America is screwed one mosque at a time.

  3. If a Christian church were proposed, I bet it wouldn’t have made it to the planning board, so much for fairness in this dimm country of ours

  4. More of OBUUMMM AS COUSINS INUNDATING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY EVERYWERE IN THE U S A. REMEMBER, ” OBUMMAA LIES, AMERICANS DIE!!!! LOCK AND LOAD.

  5. The consultant, Henry J. Ney, is scheduled to return at a continuation of the public hearing on the proposed mosque at a special Planning Board meeting set for 7:30 p.m. on Wednesday, Nov. 28.

    http://www.drcarsonliu.com/

  6. islam is about infidelophobia – or non-moslemophobia. Read their koran and they call us pigs, apes, dirt, etc. Then call for our deaths or subjuation. So, when people call us names, look to them for their name calling. Name callers are just projecting their own selves.

    BTW, where are the zoning laws? People better fight back or else they will start complaining that the moslems are parking in their driveways, blocking their driveways, etc – just like they do in other areas where they build mosques

  7. Where does the money come from to build all these moosques? Saudi Arabia (where the 9/11 pilots came from), Bahrain (don’t we a naval base there?), and of course Iran (Aryan), and Jordan I think chips in. Then conversely, we provide monetary aide to these countries (minus Aryan)…so moosques are being built in America with American tax money! We are funding our own demise! WAKE UP AMERICA! PLEASE!

    • It’s unlikely the Sheep will wake-up, most of all the so-called Christian Sheep that are waiting for the Rapure that in my opinion will never come. In the end, if Islam get in control most will convert instead of dying for their faith.

  8. they will get whatever they want because we have to be politically correct and not offend them; bullshit; fight them off and get them out of your neighborhood and a one-way ticket to saudi arabia.

  9. The article mentioned “houses of worship” being permitted in residential areas but I agree- a church wouldn’t have made it that far. I don’t understand the need for a new mosque if there is a much larger facility only a few miles away. There WILL be more traffic than planned. Muslim males are strongly encouraged to pray communally- which means at the mosque- for the five daily prayers. This means there will be traffic at odd hours of the day and night from possibly as early as 4:30 am and as late at 11:30pm given the time of the year. If I were a homeowner I would definitely complain.

  10. Traffic smaffic. No more mosques!

    I know this lovely slice of American pie country neighborhood. We can not give up our culture. We must take back our traditions.

    Deport, Deport, Deport.

  11. We can be civil about this. Just say no. Make no more response. Be prepared for the violent response by having police alerted to arrest the moslems. Moslems do not take no for an answer from dhimmi. Its an insult. Its part of the reason moslems should not be permitted to own property in the U.S.

  12. Building a church is a major pain for any religious affliliation with building codes being so tight. My own church was too small so the diocese sold it to the town which converted it into a new library. So after 2 years of haggling with the town a spot outside of town with enough parking was found and bought. You basically need almost double the amount of parking for new churches because everyone drives now vs. in 1898 when most walked to church. The only difference is when we were turned away from several locations we did not get the newspaper to write how unfair the town was being or that it was discrimination when it is just hard to find a spot to build a church due to parking regulations.

  13. Making violent statements like that doesn’t do our cause any good. It brings us down to their level and possibly brings about investigations that are better served elsewhere. Fight the damn thing in court and if it actually gets built document every instance of traffic problems you see.

  14. Something else. Have the local building trades union business representative visit the site for violations.

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