A Case Study in Muslim-Christian Interfaith Dialog

Or lack thereof. In case today’s previous posts didn’t highlight the failure of Islamic interfaith dialog, Robert Spencer presents his latest personal experience via PJ Lifestyle » Building Bridges Between Christians and Muslims: A Case Study.:

Does the diocese and the [Boston] Globe think that if people like me are silenced that no one will ever again “link Islam to terrorism” or depict “Islam as an inherently violent religion”? Unfortunately, jihadists will continue to do both of these things. ~ Robert Spencer, Jihad Watch

 

While Christians face escalating persecution from Muslims in Egypt, Nigeria, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, and elsewhere, the Catholic Church temporizes, ignores the victims, and plays at “dialogue” with Islamic supremacist groups whose announced intent is to “build bridges” with non-Muslims. Such bridges are really just proselytizing mechanisms to convert them to Islam, not an attempt to engage in genuine dialogue – as the Muslim Brotherhood theorist Sayyid Qutb explained:

The chasm between Islam and Jahiliyyah [the society of unbelievers] is great, and a bridge is not to be built across it so that the people on the two sides may mix with each other, but only so that the people of Jahiliyyah may come over to Islam.

And so it was that I was scheduled to appear at a Catholic Men’s Conference in Worcester, Massachusetts, on March 16, until the Roman Catholic bishop of Worcester, Robert McManus, directed that my appearance be canceled. McManus was under pressure from Islamic supremacist groups who were calling and emailing the diocese demanding that he cancel my appearance. I’ve been informed from sources close to the events that they were asked to call the diocese and demand the cancellation by a Boston Globe reporter named Lisa J. Wangsness, who appears to have instigated the entire controversy, although she and her editor deny this.

Abdul Cader Asmal, co-chairman of communications for the Islamic Council of New England, wrote a libelous and hysterical screed to the Diocese of Worcester, labeling me a “hatemonger” and demanding that they cancel my appearance at the conference coming up this March 16. I posted it in full here. The response was immediate. I was given no chance to respond to this tissue of libel. The diocese never contacted me. The rapidity and one-sidedness of the diocese’s reaction was inexcusable — I was tried, convicted, and executed without evidence, without investigation, and without a moment’s thought.

Instead of contacting me or researching what I actually say, Raymond Delisle, spokesman for the Diocese of Worcester, promptly gave this statement to the Globe:

Although the intention of the conference organizers was to have a presenter on Islam from a Catholic’s perspective, we are asking Robert Spencer to not come to the Worcester Catholic Men’s Conference given that his presence is being seen as harmful to Catholic–Islamic relations both locally and nationally.

Charles Jacobs, president of Americans for Peace and Tolerance (APT), an organization that does research on Islamic supremacists and what they describe as “false moderates,” informed me that Abdul Cader Asmal is a self-proclaimed friend and supporter of a convicted jihad terrorist, Tarek Mehanna, who is currently serving 17½ years in federal prison for aiding al-Qaeda.

Meanwhile, Bishop Robert McManus of Worcester has not even had the courtesy to respond to my requests for a meeting. Nor has any diocesan official. Must not offend the friends of jihad terrorists.

After my appearance was canceled, Amjad Bahnassi, a spokesman for the Islamic Society of Greater Worcester, was conciliatory: “I doubt there was any foul play or bad intentions by the Diocese. We have great relations between the two faiths.”

“No hard feelings”? No “foul play or bad intentions”? Yes, we assassinated this man’s character, smeared and defamed him, and succeeded in strong-arming Bishop McManus into canceling his appearance. And hey, bishop, we don’t hold a grudge!

This isn’t about me. Robert Spencer will eventually go away, whatever happens. Do Bishop Robert McManus and the Roman Catholic Church (as well as the mainstream media) think that when I go away, their troubles will be over?

Apparently so. Msgr. Thomas Sullivan, lead organizer of the conference, explained:

I was not looking for a problem. The bishop felt that by disinviting him we would be avoiding a problem in casting a bad light on Christian-Islamic relations. Why risk that?

Why indeed? But what about the Muslims who cast a bad light on Christian-Islamic relations by persecuting Christians in Egypt, Nigeria, Iraq, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, and elsewhere? Is anyone allowed to speak up for those Christians and explore the ideological root causes of why they’re being persecuted, or would that upset the shallow and insincere friendships you have with Muslims stateside?

Any genuine dialogue, and any healthy relationship, proceeds on the basis of honesty. Pretending that Islamic texts do not say what they say about Christians, and that Muslims do not act upon those texts to persecute Christians, will do nothing to help those Christians who are under threat. Only by confronting honestly the source of the problem can we ever hope to solve it.

Read it all.

Update: The Islamists and their militant wing the jihadists have waged a cyber attack on Jihad Watch.

20 Responses

  1. This is why it is more important than ever for ALL of us to contact our religious leaders and demand more from them. To discuss the ideology of islam THEY HAVE TO READ ISLAMIC TEXTS and not some translations made especially for the non-moslems. The Catholic church should be ashamed of itself as some other denominations because they have Arabic speakers who could translate islamic texts in a truthful manner. And don’t forget sharia laws too and figue.

  2. If people are unable to tell our religious leaders – or ANYONE why discussing islam IS INDEED OK or that the idea we are misunderstanding islam then watch the series of videos put out by Stephen Coughlin and he can explain why moslems are the ones who need to explain why they lie, they fund jihad, their texts are full of violence and hate due to abrogation. Here is the first in a series of 5:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhZe7eZK4dw

  3. These Catholic clergymen and their Mainline Protestant counterparts are doing a great diservice to their parishoners. How can one be a sheppard and protect the flock when the sheppards are sheep themselves? Muslim-Christian interfaith dialogue organisations work in one way, and one way only, the muslim way, and the muslim leaders gloat privately at the sheer suicidal idiocy of these “tolerant” Christian and Jewish types and othes of the left who pursue such foolish ventures that ultimately lead to dhimmitude. As an unapologetic Westerner, these people are an eternal embarrassment to me, and by no means do any of them speak for me.

    • Tell them why they are wrong and end with … “now it is YOUR duty to find out if I am right or wrong by you going straight to islamic texts. And shame on the Catholic church for not translating them without moslem interruption. There is NO reason why we cannot understand what is in them and when the moslems tell us differently then all we do is succumb and hope they are telling the truth when the obligation in islam is to deceive.”

  4. The continuing effort by Muslims to censor Counterjihad exposés like presented by Robert Spencer is alive and well. If you want to know the truth please to complain to organizations and/or Churches that bend to the lies of Muslims that actually follow radical purist agenda.

  5. If the Theology of the Body articulated by Pope John Paul II were more widely known and taught, it would surely diminish any desire among Catholics anywhere to have anything at all to do with Islam, which sees women as lower than cattle and indeed, often treats them worse. The Theology of the Body exegesis of Scripture emphasizes that man and woman are created equal (beautifully different and complementary, but of equal value in God’s loving eyes and therefore, possessing equal human dignity). In their maleness and femaleness, and particularly in their loving union, they image God Himself, who is Love.

    • The Catholic Church murdered millions of women for being pagans, and tens of thousands more for being suspected of witchcraft or being “unfaithful” to the Church. Let alone the backwards steps it caused for women who cannot hold any sort of positions of power in the Catholic Church. Catholic women are not even allowed to control their own reproduction systems.

      Therefore everything you wrote is shit. Typical Christian propaganda, and not even close to addressing the REALITY of what the Catholic Church has done to women for 2000 years.

      • No they did not and in fact they were murdered by pagans. Did some bad ones kill? Yes, but that is not the message of the Church and it is indeed the message of islam – to kill or subjugate.

        Learn the messages. I don’t know one Catholic woman who is stoned, beheaded, wiped, etc due to the message of Catholicism.

    • Seriously Kathy, what a load of——-! But ‘You know it’s true’, the Catholic church has indeed been responsible for one or two ‘slight misdemeanors’ (to put it very mildly!) over the last two millenia, but your figures are grossly exaggerated, and are therefore “shit”, as you call it. I’ve also noticed you often come down on Christians, wonder why?

      I’m not a Christian, but given a choice between Christianity and the reason for this blog site–well, there is no choice, is there? And the reason for that is that Christianity went through a reformation, as you know; and as you also know, you can’t even mention reformation to muslims, or criticise the barbarians in any way without getting death threats.

      • not to mention Catholic groups and various Christian orgs are making big money importing millions of Muslims and other foreigners who soak up taxpayer dollars and critical resources – see Refugee Resettlement Watch for extensive details

      • To ‘Peter35′ – And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, “Thou art not far from the kingdom of God.” (Mark 12.34). Be blessed, my friend, I’m praying for you!!!!!

        • Dapreach, Hi, sorry I couldn’t get back to you sooner–for some reason my computer wouldn’t let me back into the comments here. Keep trying buddy, but don’t hold your breath!!

  6. anybody who believes dialogue is blind as a bat; there is no dialogue; it is all islam, period. they have NO intention of agreeing to disagree; it is all them. they are LIARS

  7. Well. with the Pope stepping down, all the boy-bandits, and the corruption, the Catholic Church is going down.
    Finally, thank God.

    Get the Protestants to go down next and the world will be a better place.

    2000 years of worldwide hell at the hands of both of these groups can finally come to an end. Too bad it took this long.

    Now, if only Islam could be taken down right along with them, the world would truly be cleansed.

  8. why dialog? They burn churches, and arrest Christians. They need to tell us when they will do that here. Ask them to explain that. The rest is crap.

  9. [...] Or lack thereof. In case today’s previous posts didn’t highlight the failure of Islamic interfaith dialog, Robert Spencer presents his latest personal experience via PJ Lifestyle » Building Bridges Between Christians and Muslims: A Case Study.: Does the diocese and the [Boston] Globe think that if people like me are silenced that no one will [...]   A Case Study in Muslim-Christian Interfaith Dialog [...]

  10. Let’s keep in mind it was the Roman Catholic Church which organized the fight against islamism for more than a thousand years. It was on earth BEFORE mohammad dreamed up allah in his cave.

  11. [...] A Case Study in Muslim-Christian Interfaith Dialog (creepingsharia.wordpress.com) [...]

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