Cardinal Dolan makes first visit to NYC mosque, lies to himself & Muslims

No doubt they lied to him too. via Cardinal Dolan makes first visit to NYC mosque, meets with Staten Island Muslim leaders | SILive.com.

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STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. — Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the archbishop of New York, made his first visit to a mosque in New York City and it was the Albanian Islamic Cultural Center in Tompkinsville where he met with Muslim and other faith leaders.

The cardinal spent more than two hours touring the mosque and the Miraj Islamic School and having lunch with about 40 clergy and laity.

“I thank God that this day has arrived,” the cardinal said. “I thank you for your welcome, I thank you for making me feel like a friend and a member of a family.”

The cardinal asked questions about the Muslim faith and emphasized throughout his visit how much the two religions and their members have in common.

“You love God, we love God and he is the same God,” the cardinal said of the Muslim and Roman Catholic faiths.

Cardinal Dolan stressed that Catholics and Muslims have a mutual love of the United States and of the religious freedom that this country affords, especially the ability to meet with people of different beliefs that would not be possible in some other nations.

“Your love of marriage and family, your love of children and babies, your love of freedom — religious freedom particularly– your defense of life, your desire for harmony and unity and your care for others, your care for God’s creation and your care for those who are in need,” the cardinal said, were Islamic values also shared by Catholics and areas where there could be mutual cooperation.

Can anyone point out any semblance of truth in any of those statements?

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50 Responses

  1. “Well, well, well, let’s see now–I WONDER IF I CAN TELL MORE LIES THAN YOU GUYS CAN?”

  2. Sorry Cardinal…..they are NOT the same god

  3. How sad, comments have become a legal problem, sounds like Shariah Law and a complete loss of civil rights.

  4. This makes me want to throw up. What a moron this fool is. Lead the sheep to the slaughter, moron.

  5. islam HATES Christians so why is the Cardinal falling for the lies???

    the only reason Islam is here is to take over our country; islam hates America and what it stands for. That is plain as the nose on your face.

    what a pile of crap. Guess he didn’t hear about the Syrians killing Christians and feeding their bodies to the dogs; that could happen here; hide and watch.

    islam should have NO foothold in our country yet the big boy in the WH gives them anything they want. Cities, such as Dearborn, MI, are run over with the rats and the original citizens obey the laws; the muzzies do not, more pc crap.

  6. First we have our pet MUSLIM denagrating the CATHOLIC RELIGON AND NOW we have a CATHOLIC CARDINAL RUBBING ELBOWS with the DEVILS ADVOCATES in exchanging BLARNEY BOTH WAYS of lies!!! LOOKS LIKE THE NWO RELIGION IN ITS INFACY!!!! SIC, SIC, SIC!!!

  7. Satan is the great deceiver.We do not serve the same God. This is the spirit of Antichrist.. The Bible tells us: “be not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: in 2 Cor. 6: 14. Quran 5: 72 “Infidels indeed are those who said Surely Allah is the Christ, son of Mary.” So, Jesus said “…if you believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sin.” This man is leading many astray so all who claim Christ watch for this in any church.

  8. Assimilation…betrayal…”Let’s see, maybe cardinal, you get a copy of the koran from them and perform mass with that next week, oh, sorry, you must already have one!”. “Well cardinal, maybe now we have something…as you didn’t say the GOD of ISRAEL is the GOD you worship the same GOD I worship”. Cardinal, I don’t worship your jihadist FALSE IMAGE!”…

  9. The Cardinal is living on a different planet if he doesn’t see the huge difference between the Christian religion and the Islamic ideology. The Christians, as well as all other faiths have love as the basis to heal. In Islam the only answer for Allah’s approval is submission, slavery or death in the eternal journey for jihad.

    • Christianity requires adherents to examine their consciences. It also calls a sin a sin. The founders of the respective religions, either real or constructs from myth, couldn’t be more different. Jesus was a victim par excellence. Mohammed otoh was a warlord. Mohammed resembled Herod (a half Arab btw) cutting of people’s heads and taxing the rest.

  10. As before WWII, the bishops were the ones who should have been excommunicated and ashamed of themselves. They were the ones, mostly, who were selling other catholics out – not Pope Pius XII. And history repeats itself. I have been trying to get someone, many, some, in the Catholic church to READ islamic texts. To get someone to translate the original arabic ourselves if they don’t trust the translations and READ IT! They will find an ideology worse than Nazism and STOP catering to anyone who follows such an ideology!

    But no one is listening. It is the same story – ‘leaders’ think they are smarter than anyone else.

    • The Umma have millions of Christians captive in their lands. Dolan is quite clearly negotiating their release. That or stabbing them all the back. You decide.

  11. Politics is a wonderful thing, ain’t it? And even more wonderful when when the church chooses to ass kiss men rather than than respect truth and honesty.

    Ever wonder why main stream religion is such a snake pit of hypocrisy?

  12. This reminds me of the Pope and Hitler during WW11. Better to be on the good side of the bad guys. It worked. Then.

  13. I rebuke Cardinal Dolan in the name of Jesus Christ, the one and only Lord! Consorting with the followers of Satan is sacrilegist.

  14. If truth be told neither Christians, Jews, or Muslims worship the same God. The three so-called Abrahamic faiths only pretend to worship the same deity. Self deception is a wonderful thing to behold.

  15. The God Christians and Jews worship called Jesus His Son and the only way to salvation. The Muslim God calls Jesus “one of the prophets.” Can somebody explain how these are the same God?

  16. Per recent SCOTUS decision, “I expressly invoke the privilege against self incrimination”

    I am typically on the same page but here I am perplexed at Cardinal Dolan’s remarks.

  17. Quote:
    Cardinal Dolan stressed that Catholics and Muslims have a mutual love of the United States and of the religious freedom that this country affords, especially the ability to meet with people of different beliefs that would not be possible in some other nations.
    end

    A bigger set of lies has never been told.
    Islam is profane.
    Mohammed is a false prophet.
    The Ummah is nothing more than a conquering army.

  18. Cardinal Dolan , did you ask about the killings of Christians in Syria, Egypt?

  19. If I may, I will play the devil’s advocate for a moment….

    This Cardinal absolutely CANNOT believe this preposterous rubbish! I mean, “your love of freedom — religious freedom particularly– your defense of life, your desire for harmony and unity….”

    It seems to me that he is attempting to use some kind of reverse psychology or something–trying to somehow PLANT thoughts in their heads or something. BUT THAT’S JUST THE KIND OF INSANITY THESE BASTARDS FEED OFF OF!!!!! President Bush tried the same thing!

    I don’t believe President Bush was the stupid ass that people have made him out to be. BUT HE THOUGHT HE COULD WIN THESE PEOPLE OVER BY KOWTOWING TO THEM!!!

    Again, THAT’S JUST THE KIND OF STUPIDITY THAT MUSLIM ANARCHISTS FEED OFF OF.

    What we need is for this Cardinal to tell these people that NO ACT OF HATRED OR VILE BEHAVIOR IS EVER SANCTIONED BY GOD! He needs to take a stand for the truth and declare unequivically that Crist commanded all men (mankind) to LOVE ONE ANOTHER!!!

  20. What really should have been said:

    “You love a prophet of doom, we love God and he is NOT the same God,” Allah is the moon god, or Satan. The cardinal is clueless of the Muslim and Roman Catholic faiths.

    Cardinal Dolan stressed that Catholics love of the United States and of the religious freedom that this country affords, especially the ability to meet with people of different beliefs that would not be possible in some other nations like muslim ones. The Muslims want free speech killed. After they are done there will not be any different beliefs.

    “Your love of marriage to multiple women, plus short term marriages for prostitutes, and family, your love of having sex with the dead, animals, children and babies, your love of killing freedom — religious freedom particularly– your willingness to die, your desire for NO harmony and unity and your killing for others, your satanic care for God’s creation and its destruction, and your care for those who are in need by forcing them into burkhas, throwing acid in their faces, bombings, ” the cardinal said, were Islamic values also shared by no one else on the planet, and areas where there could be conquest and slavery of man.

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/ten_reasons.htm

  21. Yes, yes they do have much in common. Both Jesus and Mohammed had child brides, concubines and sex slaves; they both beheaded hundreds of people single-handedly, and spread their message by the sword. Oh wait …

    • On one hand a man who was badly treated by the authorities both temporal and spiritual in his own community, a man who sacrificed his own promising life by saying a few awkward uncomfortable home truths, things that make people stop and think twice before being violent, a man executed for blasphemy and telling off a few priests.

      Otoh, a piratical caravan raider. A man with multiple wives, a man who married a very young girl, a man who personally butchered opponents, swindled Jewish tribes in Medina
      then butchered them. A man who preached and failed to convert by word or example, who concluded that a war policy was needed to create his own empire and settle scores in his hometown among rival clans.

      Same same eh?

      Totally the same examples.

    • Jesus and Mohammed had child brides, concubines and sex slaves? Put down the bong and up your meds.

      • Obviously not d’uh. Quite different obviously. No sense of Irony eh?

        I’m amazed that Mo can even be considered a Prophet given his violent deeds. Obviously Christ is a moral exemplar. If one looks at Robert Spencer’s idea that Mo’ didnt exist, it becomes clear that Mo’ is like the subconscious desire that Muslims have for domineering and piratical Behaviour. If he was real, Mo’ must have been a demon.

      • Ksolieau, Saxon was being sarcastic. He should have known some people can’t recognize sarcasm. Jesus did not have child brides, consubines or sex slaves and he did not murder anyone. That was in the Muslim faith.

        • If Saxon was being sarcastic, he certainly doesn’t need you to explain what he meant. How would you know?

          • Yes, ‘ksoileau’, ‘Saxon’ was being sarcastic! Everybody got it BUT YOU!!!! AND NOW YOU WANT TO INSULT ALL OF US–GO FRY ICE!!!!!!

        • There is no “all of us”, there is only you. You were the only idiot to try to speak for someone else and claim you know what he meant. Therefore I’m not insulting “all of us”, I’m insulting you for being an idiot. Have a nice day!

          • To ‘ksolleau’ – Like I already said, “‘Saxon’ was being sarcastic! Everybody got it BUT YOU!!!!” AND YOU REALLY NEED TO GO CRAWL BACK UNDER THAT BIG ROCK WHERE YOU CAME FROM!!!! And yes, I do speak for everybody when I say that “WE KNEW WHAT ‘Saxon’ WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!

            Any more smart (ass) words of wisdom????

    • Jesus had a child bride? 75 yrs ago the church tried (to no avail) to push religion into me, but I still remember the main facts and NOWHERE was Jesus married to some little girl; where in hell did you get that?

      Look it doesn’t worry me, an atheist, if you lie about muslims, since their whole existence and so-called religion are based on lies, but I imagine the many Christians who comment on this site might just be a tad annoyed at your nonsense; nor do I remember anywhere in the religious nonsense, of Jesus EVER beheading ANYONE.

      One of the apologists are you, trying to appease the islamic rabble?

  22. Don’t forget the Mormons also say on their website that they share a similar values with Muslims. Mormons state on their LDS.org website that they agree not to proselytize to Muslims. Joseph Smith was known as the “Yankee Mohamed”.

    Mormons are not Christians.

    • The Mormon religion was born when Joseph Smith walked out of prison in 1830 and proclaimed “I shall be the new mohammed”, having read the koran in prison and decided he would start a new religion along those lines, well it sounded good, multiple wives (slaves) just like islam, child brides, just like islam; a real “Old Boys’ Club”, just like islam.

      So Mormonism was inspired by islam–what else?

      • I’ve heard similar things about Joseph Smith, but never that he actually used islam as the model for mormonism! Quite frankly, I’m not surprised at all, since so much of the early 19th century mormon doctrine resembled islam. Can you provide any documentation? I’m sure this info was probably not easy to get!

        • Hi Dapreach, you just said it yourself, that so much early Mormon doctrine resembled islam–couple that with the recorded fact that he did indeed say he would: “Be the new mohammed”, and what have you got? No, I can’t recall where I read about “Joe”, but it must have been a book on religion, possibly: “god is not Great” by Chris. Hitchens.

          Sorry to disappoint you but there are just too many coincidences with islam for it not to be true.

          • Believe me, I’m no more a defender of mormonism than I am of islam. I think it should be a real eye-opener for mormons to know that Smith compared himself to mohammed. Again, as I said, that really does not surprise me. What does surprise me is that mormonism has ‘evolved’ into the “highly respected” religion of so many pseudo-Christians. (Many Americans readily endorsed Mitt Romney as a good Christian family man–with reservations, I was admittedly one of them.) I guess that can only be attributed to the fact that Smith identified his cult with Jesus rather than with some mythical pagan moon-god (allah). Normally such ‘power-hungry’ cults eventually implode upon all concerned–like the David Koresh cult or the Jim Jones catastrophy. Of course they both tried to claim deity for themselves, which might explain their horrific demise. For what it’s worth, I don’t believe Smith ever tried to claim to be deity.

          • It’s me again, Joseph Smith claimed to have been visited by an angel, something like our old buddy “mo”. If you’re interested in reading more there is a book (or was) by a Dr. Fawn Brodie called: No Man Knows My History, which was re-issued and up-dated in 1973 and tells the story of “Joe” which was one of the worst swindles in history–boringly stupid. Mark Twain was said to have labelled it: “Chloroform in print”—gives you an idea.

            As I recall, Smith came up with myriad schemes to “have it off” with the wives and daughters of his “flock”, and whenever things started to get too “hot” he would have another “divine revelation”. Talk about BS, think about it—exactly like “Mo” and islam.

          • Unfortunately we seem to have run out of room to ‘Reply to the Replies’ so this comment probably won’t be placed beneath your last comment to me.

            Anyway, ‘Jo and Mo’ what a combination! Almost sounds like a song! I did some limited research a few years ago about mormonism but had never heard about the muslim connection. I always found the name of the angel ‘Moroni’ very interesting. I mean — ‘moron – I’. I can’t help wondering whether Smith was trying to send a subliminal message to his future gullible followers. Almost like saying, “This guy that your following is a moron, so what does that make you?” The book by Dr. Brodie sounds interesting–particularly because judging from the title, she most likely is not a mormon. Any history or biography written by a mormon is going to be obviously biased and worthless! I hope Mark Twain’s (Clemens’ comment) was descriptive of Smith’s life not about Dr. Brodie’s book.

  23. Obviously not d’uh. Quite different obviously. No sense of Irony eh?

    I’m amazed that Mo can even be considered a Prophet given his violent deeds. Obviously Christ is a moral exemplar. If one looks at Robert Spencer’s idea that Mo’ didnt exist, it becomes clear that Mo’ is like the subconscious desire that Muslims have for domineering and piratical Behaviour. If he was real, Mo’ must have been a demon.

  24. Cardinal Dolan stressed that Catholics and Muslims have a mutual love of the United States and of the religious freedom that this country affords”
    Don’t you have some alter boys to be chasing?

  25. […] deluded, or deliberately deceived, in any case totally untruthful Catholic primate – via Creeping […]

  26. The Cardinal is a fool, more concerned with appeasement than truth! He better pray to the “same God they both love” that he is is never in a position where his freedom of religion is dependent on Islam! He is aiding and abetting in the propagation of Sharia. Better get this man a computer, a TV, a newspaper, and other easily accessed sources of news to see how Christians are being persecuted and murdered throughout the world! I repeat…..the Cardinal is a FOOL!

  27. The moronic Cardinal fell for all their lies because it’s very obvious he knows nothing about islam. Why is it that religious leaders are almost always the most naiive, trusting and downright stupid of the appeasers?

    Almost everything in the above article is wrong–it’s so chock-full of lies it’s like a satire. It just gets worse……………………

    • I definitely agree with you, but find the use of the word moronic too severe.

      • Well, that’s your prerogative, fair enough, but the islamic invasion of the west has been going on for 30-40 years now, and still that moon-faced idiot (is that better?) has learnt nothing about it’s adherents.

  28. Cardinal Dolan’s behavior in this instance is a disgrace. It is a slap in the face to all Christians and other faiths who are being persecuted in the name of Islam. I have written to him to explain to him that Allah Akbar means our God is the greatest, and that it is not the same God as ours. Also, Islam considers Christians polytheists. The “good” Cardinal could even push some over the brink to conversion to Islam.

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