Canada: Father, mother, son guilty in Islamic ‘honor killing’ of 3 daughters, other wife

Guilty of the 1st degree murder of 3 of her own daughters and her husband's other wife

First degree murder. via All three guilty in Shafia murder trial; judge condems twisted concept of honour – The Cape Breton Post. h/t Jack Butler

A jury took 15 hours to find Mohammad Shafia, 58, his wife Tooba Yahya, 42, and their son Hamed, 21, each guilty of four counts of first-degree murder in a case so shocking it has riveted Canadians from coast to coast.

Even after the verdict was read, the three denied killing sisters Zainab, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13, Shafia as well as Rona Amir Mohammad, 52, their father’s childless first wife in a polygamous marriage.

Their bodies were found June 30, 2009, in a car submerged in a canal in Kingston, Ont., in a multiple murder the Crown asserted was to avenge the family’s outrage because the girls sought teenage freedoms agianst the will of their controlling father and brother.

As the verdicts were being read, Hamed put his head in his hands and hunched over while standing.

Soon, his mother Tooba started to cry.

When the judge asked if they each wanted to say anything, they one by one declared their innocence.

“We are not criminal, we are not murderer, we didn’t commit the murder and this is unjust,” Mohammad said through a translater.

His wife, Tooba, responded: “Your honourable justice, this is not just. I am not a murderer, and I am a mother, a mother.”

Their son said in English: “Sir, I did not drown my sisters anywhere.”

But the judge was unmoved, and spoke directly to the cultural cloud that has hung over the case since it began.

“You have each been convicted of the planned and deliberate murder of four members of your family…(A verdict) clearly supported by the evidence presented at this trial,” said Judge Robert Maranger.

“It is difficult to conceive of a more despicable, more heinous crime…the apparent reason behind these cold-blooded, shameful murders was that the four completely innocent victims offended your completely twisted concept of honour…that has absolutely no place in any civilized society.”

It’s not difficult to conceive if you pay attention to Islam. Under sharia law, killing your children is actually permitted – as noted in the most famous of books detailing Islamic sharia law – The Reliance of the Traveler which states among those not subject to retaliation for intentionally killing another human being:

4) “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring”

Throughout the judge’s statement, Hamed put his head in his hands, while at one point both his mother and father rubbed his back to console him.

The Crown theory was that Shafia, Yahya and Hamed drowned the four victims, placed their bodies in the car, then pushed it into the canal using the family’s other vehicle.

The defence had said it was an accident, that they had gone for a joy ride with Zainab driving and accidentally plunged into the canal with Hamed watching, although he didn’t call police.

First-degree murder carries an automatic life sentence with no chance of parole for 25 years.

Trouble in the wealthy Afghan-Canadian family had been brewing for some time, the Crown alleged.

The Crown painted a picture of a household controlled by a domineering Shafia, with Hamed keeping his sisters in line and doling out discipline when his father was away on frequent business trips to Dubai.

Some of the Shafia children followed the rules and the others didn’t. The ones who couldn’t be controlled, the Crown said, are now dead.

Rona was not treated much better than an unruly child, court heard. And all any of them wanted was freedom, the Crown said.

Zainab had run away, but that in itself shamed the family, so she was coaxed back with a promise to marry her boyfriend Ammar, the Crown said. The family viewed him as a loser and was not pleased with the relationship, but if she was married she would be Ammar’s problem, not theirs, and her behaviour couldn’t affect their honour.

Sahar too was dating, though she tried to keep her Christian boyfriend secret from her parents. Condoms were found in her room, as were pictures of her wearing short skirts and shorts, hugging her boyfriend. That clothing caused Shafia to curse Sahar as a whore after her death.

Two months before she was found in the canal, Sahar told her boyfriend’s aunt that if her parents found out about her relationship she was “a dead woman.”

Geeti was becoming almost impossible to control: skipping school, failing classes, being sent home for wearing revealing clothes and stealing. But her most egregious breach was telling almost every authority figure she encountered that she wanted to be sent to foster care, the Crown said.

There was a family code of silence and Geeti broke that, it was alleged. If the Shafias thought Zainab and Sahar were hard to control, Geeti would be their worst nightmare. For Geeti, the writing was on the wall, the Crown said.

Back posts on this horrendous crime here.

96 thoughts on “Canada: Father, mother, son guilty in Islamic ‘honor killing’ of 3 daughters, other wife

  1. Cultural (COLONIST) imperialism at its islamic best in these murders. WESTERN (NATIVE) justice at its best in the sentences handed down.

  2. This disgusting, heinous slaughter is what Sharia calls honor?
    The only honor here is that these pathetic scum were found GUILTY!!!
    Let them rot slowly.

  3. How can any “MOTHER” live with knowing her own babies (out of her own Womb) were murdered by one of their own blood?

    That is sooo hard for me to imagine!

  4. Something is seriously wrong with these people. They practice Islam, live by the Sharia and abide by an immoral code of morality. To kill your own children for leaving Islam (no matter the reason), becoming overly Westernized, dressing immodestly and lesser offenses, is ridiculous and barbaric. They are without a doubt living in the middle ages and should by law not be allowed in this country without first giving up Islam or the Sharia..which is impossible. So..get out.

  5. Reap what you sow..If the muslims will kill their own children for stupid arse reasons, just think how easy it would be for them to kill us infidels. Wouldn’t even bat an eye and people still feel sorry for these low life people..Peace to all non-muslims who love life.

    • Those facts should be taught to every elected official in a Western country so they get a clue. The policies in Western Societies that allow people to come into their countries with no thought of ever following the rules should not be allowed to enter. Plain and Simple. If you want to follow the 7th Century Lifestyle, go to a country that follows it. Don’t try and force Western Countries to follow your Anti Freedom ways.

      • At least Prime Minister Harper’s government is clued in about Islam. They are working on making it very difficult to enter the country if you are Islamic. One of the prerequisites now is that they must speak French…Canada’s second language. They then are sent to Quebec and Harper’s Government has refused to pay for English lessons. That is totally up to Quebec to pay for.

        Canada could have a total burka ban also in the coming months! We have banned face veils and burkas being worn during swearing in at the Canadian Citizenship ceremonies.

        I guess having a fatwa put on one’s head , clues you in real quick. PM Harper has had one during the Toronto 18 time.

  6. There is nothing more to say. After all the cases involving muslims where justice has gone horribly wrong, I’m so proud that justice has been done-and in this country! I’m one proud immigrant.

  7. I only hope that our own judicial system take heed on this one case. It sickens me to know that Dearborn, MI seems to have become the center for Islamic Idiocy and God forbid if we offend their so-called culture. Screw the bastards….there time is coming…..THANK-YOU CANADA!! That’s what I call true justice. Step up to the plate America….

  8. wooww! they should really change the name of these sorts of killings because there is nothing honorable about killing your family member because you are too worried about your reputation.. I am very glad justice was served..

  9. The Canadian Justice System came through with flying colours in this case. Too bad the death penalty is not in place which is what they really deserve. Hopefully, in the future, the same justice system will not offer them parole in ten years or something similar. “Life in prison” should mean life in prison, till death do you part to other places beyond.

    • LOL, wellll, he could check their background and IF they have ever been a citizen of Texas — just transfer them here…We now have the fast lane to the gallows (so-to-speak).

    • They will serve the full 25 years before allowed Parole…and they could spend more if they do not see the error of their ways and admit their guilt. It could very well mean Life in Prison.

      I do find it disturbing though that these girls had been asking for help from authorities who are suppose to protect children from abuse. They obviously didn’t take it seriuosly enough. These agencies need to be trained in how Islamics view the world, even when they are living in a Western country.

      • OMG, I didn’t know that. I worked at Shelters for Battered Women but with this bunch — I don’t know. They are so programmed to “just take it” that when the children started asking for help — who ever dropped the ball should be fired!!!!

        • SUN TV’s Michael Coren was just on FOX News with Megan Kelly, frankly discussing the religious slaughter, honor killings. The segment is, in my opinion, unprecedented. Never before has this subject matter been discussed so boldly, so forthrightly, so fully, so accurately and so honestly on cable or broadcast news. He is on the front lines in the defense of freedom.
          Send this around. Make it go viral. It’s that good.

          • This is a very very short version. When Women are taught from the beginning either by “behaviors” in the home of men vs. women, the children develop a belief system.

            I cannot tell you the number of women I have counselled that as you spoke with them about the abuse — their eyes were flat — as though they had “no idea” what I was talking about: Self Respect; Independent thinking, etc. I knew when I had reached someone (and by the way “very few”), you could actually see this “spark in their eyes” as though they had never in their lives accepted that they are “free to decide for themselves” what kind of life they want. They had always been taught to give their “own personal power” to a man.
            And, by the way? The same is applicable to those in homosexual relationships — giving up one’s sense of “self” to another is not just in male/female relationships.

    • Yes….for only a few dollars we could have killed all three. Unfortunately….Canada doesn’t have the death penalty. I say us Canadian’s better start telling our government that we want this back in place!

      Too bad we didn’t have it when Clifford Robert Olsen was on trial for all those children’s murders! We paid for his sorry azz in jail for too long!

  10. This is ONLY an excerpt but it IS the most important article I have ever read.
    Crucify Political Correctness on the Altar of Freedom of Speech

    The West will either reject the logic of Political Correctness or suffer a catastrophic failure of vision, will, power and influence, destroying civil society as we know it. This may sound drastic, and of course it is. But why is it being claimed here? Because the ideas in the doctrines of Political Correctness and related notions like Multiculturalism are so destructive that—much like magma—these cannot long be held safely before spilling over and causing tremendous damage, chaos and destruction of our society.

    The reason it must be eliminated is because Political Correctness is a Trojan horse for Marxism, which always destroys everything it touches. PC is a curse which must be denounced before it mangles its host society, especially since it is the very opposite of Free Speech. More importantly, individual responsibility is eliminated by PC standards which make irrelevant personal morality. This is the subject of this essay.

    I. Definition of Political Correctness

    Political Correctness (PC) is shorthand for an ideology which implies ethical or moral superiority for various positions which challenge traditional morality. defines PC as

    1. Of, relating to, or supporting broad social, political, and educational change, especially to redress historical injustices in matters such as race, class, gender, and sexual orientation.

    PC has become, in practice, a set of standards by which communication is purified from unacceptable content. But PC has also deeply affected public policy and law, and ultimately ideas about morality, itself. For example, against the longstanding notion of the right of free expression, even thinking many forbidden thoughts would break PC norms. And for this reason, PC has evolved from being rules for “sensitivity” training into a set of un-breachable social mores.

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    Kelly O’Connell is an author and attorney. He was born on the West Coast, raised in Las Vegas, and matriculated from the University of Oregon. After laboring for the Reformed Church in Galway, Ireland, he returned to America and attended law school in Virginia, where he earned a JD and a Master’s degree in Government. He spent a stint working as a researcher and writer of academic articles at a Miami law school, focusing on ancient law and society. He has also been employed as a university Speech & Debate professor. He then returned West and worked as an assistant district attorney. Kelly is now is a private practitioner with a small law practice in New Mexico.

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  11. Thanks for the HT but it should be shared with Peter 76 who also mentioned it on the post (I did not see it until later).

    Great news anyway.

    We gotta keep at them and spread the word

  12. As a Canadian, I am very happy to see this verdict for these oozing balls of pus.
    But don’t rejoice too soon.
    You can be certain CAIR-Canada will no doubt take issue with this verdict and demand an appeal.

    Apparently, an eight year old boy saw the death car being pushed into the water by another vehicle, but his testimony was ruled inadmissible because of his age???

    As C.S. quotes from the “Reliance of the Traveller” above, they are TAUGHT that this type of murder is perfectly acceptable in their crazy mind. They are taught these lunacies from birth, so their conscience is clear….that’s how they can do this shit with no qualms.

    And don’t anyone believe for one single minute there are muslims who don’t believe ALL of this shit and codone every part of it.

    I was pleasantly surprised that they got convicted of 1’st degree murder in this country.
    I thought for sure they would plea bargain some bullshit way out of the charge, but alas…not to be. Glad to see they got the Full Monty…

    I love Canada dearly, but our legal system is a hideous joke and is the laughing stock of the entire world.
    This time it didn’t let me down….so far.

    • I don’t think CAIR-Canada will have much of a foothold in this case…..It’s a done deal and the muslims who did this heinous crime will sit in jail ( unfortunately for us taxpayers) for the 25 years before getting a chance at parole.

      Yes…our Justice system is screwed up, but it’s up to us Canadian’s to start having our voices heard loud and clear! With PM Harper now in charge, we have a fighting chance to change some things. I’m pushing for the death penalty to be reinstated in Canada! Also the laws concerning protecting ourselves against those who wish to do us harm, need to be changed!

      Don’t just bitch and complain about it….start a letter writing campaign to our Government officials….Send copies to PM Harper!! It doesn’t cost us anything to mail those letters to Parliament. Don’t delay…do it now! Remind PM Harper that he was given a chance to prove himself by many Canadians. We gave him a majority Government this time so he could work unhindered….let’s see what he can do.

      • Hello Redneck Woman…I haven’t seen you on here before.

        CAIR-Canada will whine no matter what and to be sure there will be an appeal. More $$$$ down the drain!

        I am over 60, and I didn’t get this cynical overnight…LOL
        I’ve earned it.
        I’ve also worked for the government for 25 + years and have first hand knowledge of just how incompetant these buffoons can be…
        don’t ever forget they’ll do damn near anything to garner votes…

        I also believe in Capital Punishment and these 3 would be prime candidates, but I’m not too sure Harper would re-instate it even if given the opportunity.

        They should have a country wide referendum and see how that turns out, but they won’t…I guarantee it.

        One thing we should do is ban all muslim immigration TOTALLY…and take the heat from the liberal dhimmis.

        There will come a day when we will be at war with them, and it will be sooner than later.
        Keep your eyes on the middle east….and hold your breath.

        • I’m not that far behind you in age! I too am cynical…..hence the term redneck….I don’t take much PC or BS and I can’t stand stupidity! LOL!

          What I have seen though with Harper is that he’s not taking Islam lightly. He has received flak for saying Islamism is a problem in Canada and our Intelligence Agency has put them at the top of the list for being a threat to Security and safety of the Canadian citizens. He’s banned the burka and face veils for the Canadian Citizenship Ceremonies. The Government could also ban the burka period. Something I for one would be happy to see! Slowly, but surely Harper is making it more uncomfortable for muslims in Canada. They will just have to assimilate to our ways or don’t bother coming here.

          Of course CAIR-Canada is going to howl loudly over this injustice for one of theirs! I just don’t see Harper caving in on the verdict and letting them go scot free! He’s not so much like the other politicians of old. Of course they all whore themselves out for votes but Harper isn’t pandering to the muslims nor the unions! Something I’m very happy about! Could he be more Conservative?…definitely!!!!

          I’m not sure about the country wide referendum….we’ll have to wait and see on that one. I am sure though it would pass with flying colors! There are lots of Canadians that are wanting the Death Penalty brought back! Not only would it be beneficial for our country’s criminals but we then could deport the immigrated criminals that are here without any qualms about their safety in their home country where they did the crimes!

          There is of course the matter of them ( Shafia’s) lying on their immigration papers. Polygamy is not allowed in Canada! They could be deported and told never to come back! I have this to share!~ videos can be viewed at ~ if they don’t show up here!

          Honour killers could be deported
          8:53 pm, January 30th, 2012
          •6:13 pm, January 30th, 2012

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          Mohammad Shafia arrives for his first degree murder trial at the Frontenac County Court house in Kingston on Wednesday January 25, 2012.
          OTTAWA — As polygamist Mohammad Shafia, his wife Tooba Mohammad Yahya and their son, Hamed, begin life sentences in the “honour killings” of Shafia’s three teenaged daughters and his other wife, the couple could face deportation.
          “Perhaps we could go back, re-open the case, and look at it in terms of the polygamy because (Shafia) was a polygamist when he came in (to Canada),” said Sandra Zisckind, Sun News Network’s legal analyst.
          Typically, a polygamous immigrant entering Canada has to lie on an immigration application, presenting additional wives as cousins or aunts, to get everyone into the country.
          No such allegations have been proven in Shafia’s case.
          But Rick Dykstra, the parliamentary secretary to the federal immigration minister, says if authorities prove someone lied to get into Canada, it’s serious business.
          “You risk losing your citizenship; you risk losing your permanent residency status; and you risk being deported from the country,” Dykstra said.
          Michael Greene, a Calgary immigration lawyer, says there’s no rush for the government to consider deporting Shafia and his wife to their native Afghanistan, since both are in prison for 25 years without chance of parole.
          “The policy of our government for many years now has been that they will not remove a person before their parole eligibility, so they’ve got 25 years to think about it,” Greene said. “We tend to extract our pound of flesh before we ship them off.”
          Greene says immigration proceedings can start early so that removals can happen as soon as a criminal is eligible for parole.

    • Very very glad to meet you. My dear Friend, Red Neck Woman is from Canada. Ya’ll grow strong, independent people up there. I have never met anyone from Canada that was weak…they have all been very strong in Character.

    • In the major cities, we might be hearing, reading and/or seeing it publicized; however, in the smaller towns (population 50,000 and under), like where I live — these animals will NEVER get away with this because they are not considered mainstream.

      Of course, prove me wrong — I have been reading the local papers here (online) and haven’t seen much going on they isn’t being taken care of the “right way.”

    • I will probably get slammed for saying this…I am from Texas; and I do, personally, believe in the death penalty for crimes, especially, like this.

      There is NO ROOM in our society for sub-humans closer to a sub-animal species as these “things” are.

      Had a woman contact me yesterday about standing up to our Gov. in Texas (Perry) re: The Death Penalty.

      I said, “Lady, you are picking on the wrong person. I am a strong believer for the Death Penalty”. —— especially for these sub-human species. They can’t be rehabilitated.

        • There was a great line in the Movie: “Man on Fire”.
          He was preparing to kill a group of people responsible for human trafficking.
          This little ol’ lady said, “God Judges not you. (paraphrase)”

          His response was (Paraphrase) “Oh, I don’t judge. I make sure they are introduced where they can be judged.”

          I’m sorry, it has been a couple of years since I saw the movie, but you get the gist of it.

          There are some people who CANNOT be rehabilitated who are so evil — they need to be permanently removed from this planet and allow God “to sort it out.”

          • I agree, and there are a whole lot more of these evil ones these days, and sadly, even in our own government.

          • LOL! I can’t remember that line either but it was something like I just provide the ticket….

            My hubby’s favorite saying….Kill them all and let G-d sort them out!

  13. What a relief that a Muslim woman and girls were not treated like sub-humans in the name of political correctness once again. Those girls and their true protector, their step-mom (co-mom?), enjoyed their rights as full Canadian citizens, citizens of a Western democracy, with no time off for the sensibilities of voting patterns.

    Though commenters on the MSM websites are quoting the Koran to portray the killers as un-Islamic, because of cites like CS, you can read the parts of the Koran, hadiths, and other material expurgated by the Left that directly implicate Islam in these acts of religious violence.

    How long is the civilized world going to attempt to remain in total denial? Islam is read this way by millions. It is not in our power to rewrite Islam for Muslims. We must simply, firmly reject its harsh and violent acts and its application for protected status for this violence as a religion.

    Still Obama and Hillary want to offer protections to sharia law in the US and abroad, and to criminalize criticism of it, unique among religions.

    Why are liberals selling out human rights?

    • Because liberals are sell outs, seditious traitors and they don’t truly believe in human rights, only the appearance that they do. Thats why.

      • Randy, have you notice too that they just “have NO Backbone!”.
        They remind me of the dope smokin’ hippies of the 1960’s — only they forgot about the LOVE part of it. They’re just brain dead.

        • Now their drug of choice is Goat turd which they smoke in their hookahs!Everyone knows methane kills braincells!

          That along with suffering from Cranial Rectumitis, surely is the problem!

          Way too much Methane inhalation!!!

  14. Being found guilty is one thing now it is time to sentence all three to death by HANGING. The GAUNTLET HAS BEEN THROWN DOWN, now it is time to carry the fight to these MUSLIM THUGS DOOR’S namely there MOSQUES AND IMAM’S. LOCK AND LOAD.

      • Yes… need the muslim POS out of your WH! You need someone who understands Islam and their agenda to world dominate.

        If I could vote in your elections…I’d go for Newt Gingrich. From all the videos I’ve seen of him and articles…..he gets it! I fear Romney would just roll over to get his belly scratched and his palm greased by them.

        Praying for your release from tyranny and your recovery to being exceptional once again!! :)

          • I have many friends and relatives who are American. Granted some of them are the heavy kool-aid drinkers!! LOL! Still I’m praying for all Americans at this time.

            I have to confess though…my prayers are not without some personal concern for Canada. We all know that whatever happens in America surely it will impact us in Canada.

            Canada needs America to be strong once again! We rely on our trading goods with each other and also on your Protection. If you go down…..we’ll be following close behind!

            Newt is the only hope IMHO!

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  16. Don’t make it an issue about ISLAM it was just a case which happend with some bad people.
    There is nothing like this in ISLAM or islamic SHARIA to kill people for things like this.
    We have Complete law for everthing in ISLAM .
    Long live Islam

  17. Hahahaha this is completely bullshit! Killing in Islam is the last sin you can commit! This us to make Muslims look bad. Can’t you see that didn’t mention any proof or evidence? They only used bullshit nonsense and assumptions. Yhe Sharia Law says nothing about killing your kTds where the hell did they get thay? Lmaooo hahahah America is such a bastard they want to make Muslims look bad but to bad God is with us that’s why weneverlose feel free to email what i said ar infam0us_gz@hotmail

    • Hey, you anonymous bowel movement….the only thing that make muslims look bad is the crazy bastards themselves…NOBODY can make them look any worse.

      You are a fucking inbred fool.

    • Remember 9/11? Remember Ft. Hood? How about he attempt at Time Square?

      What is wrong with you?

      Oh, he is one of those Craigs List Paid Bloggers Obama hired.
      Because….no one is this stupid.

        • Chuckling…..Randy, I had been going from rage, to sadness, depression back to rage again.

          Darlin’ — we have to stick together until we either win it while we are still living — haunt people after we’re on the other side to “Dammit do it right!” LOL

          • No doubt. Ah for the want of a little levity and respite from all the muzzie madness, just a little peace for a few minutes and then it’s off to “slay the saracens!” Lol.

    • Wow, thats quite a bit of comfort for the souls of over 270,000,000 human beings of the genus Homo Sapiens, murdered by the demonic, proto human specimens of the genus, Homo Islamopithicus in the past 1,400 years. Why don’t you just go ahead and drown yourself in your own stinky footbath, cause karma’s gonna bitchslap you turd! Believe me, muslims don’t need our help to look bad, you guys wrote the book on being bad, the “nobly, stinky quran”, of which Umar unwittingly had collated and transcribed on pig parchment. Gee, gotta love those acetic monks of old, especially the Syrian Stylites, you know, the ones who’s scriptures muHAMmad plageurised. BTW, God’s name is not Allah, thats just another name for Shaitan, which translates into Syriac as SHIT! One more thing muzturd, PISS ON MUHAMMAD & PISS ON YOU!!!!


    • Killing another muslim from your own tribe is considered a sin! BUT…killing a member of another muslim sect is quite alright cause you don’t see them as being muslim enough! Killing infidels, Jews, Christians, gays is permitted and not seen as a sin!
      Killing your women and children is also not a sin if they have brought dishonor onto the family…cuz….they aren’t seen as equals! They don’t have the same rights as men do!

      Now STFU and go back to your cave!

  18. Look at the bright side. We got rid of six of these prehistoric morons.
    They kill each other but we will still have to help to eliminate these people from our land. They are doing to us what we did to the Indians. Working to overwhelm us with superior numbers.

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  20. Allah says in Quran ” if some one kill a human (jews,charistain,muslim….)*innocent*,its like he/she killed every one in the world.
    Its islam says

    • Where in the Koran is that found? I never read that one.

      This is another example of Muslims stealing ideas and land from Jews:

      Mishna Eduyot 1:6 Therefore was the first man, Adam, created alone, to teach us that whoever destroys a single life, the Bible considers it as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a single life, the Bible considers it as if he saved an entire world

    • A.S. Khamosh….

      Here’s the problem, and YOU know doubt know it…

      I have read the koran 20/23 years ago or so and am pretty rusty on some of what is in there.
      However, the part you quote is in the earliest part of the koran, am I not right?

      As you surely must know, the earlier parts, by and large, are the kind, decent parts of the book…then as mohammads syphlitic (?) brain started to deteriorate and cavitate as the spirocete ate it away, and he spiraled deeper towards insanity, his “writings” turned into the crazy, violent, hatefilled rantings that are at the latter part of the book, and the instructions at that point state the later writing SUPERCEDES the earlier stuff…

      So please, don’t defend islam by using quotes from the koran that YOU KNOW are rendered null and void by the later rantings of mohammad…and THAT is according to the book itself….

      Answer something for us on this site, if you will….please.

      How do you defend the crazy crap done world wide by your “religion”?
      What are YOU doing to fight against these people who, according to you, aren’t representitive of the “true islam”?
      Waiting for your response….

    • Perhaps your Imam doesn’t allow you to read the Qu’ran or the passages that state otherwise!

      Quran 8:12 – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”

      Quran 9:5 – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush…”

      Quran 9:123 – “O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

      Qu’ran 3:54- “Allah is the best of deceivers”

      ___So is Satan!_____

      Murdered in the name of the Pedophile
      – Death cult gallery:

      ~ Allah will remain as the name of the Pagan deities of the Arabian Desert, as Arabian Archaelogy confirms.~

      Ali Sina~An Iranian ex-muslim. Sina has offered $50,000.00 for the one who can prove this otherwise: ~ Muhammed is a narcissist, a Paedophile, a mass murderer, a terrorist, a misogynist, a lecher, a cult leader, a madman, a rapist, a torturer, an assassin and a looter.~

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  22. To
    Hope you read until end

    On that account We ordained for the Children of Isra`il that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear (guidance), yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (5:32)

    This verse has recently been quoted by political leaders such as war-mongering American President and his colonial-minded follower, the British Prime Minister, in order to encourage Muslims to abandon all resistance to the aggression and slaughter they and their ally Israel inflict on Muslims day after day. The verse is also often quoted by “moderate” Muslims when they want to show that Islam does not teach terrorism, as if the point needs to be proved and as if any of the enemies of Islam and Muslims are listening to them. Indeed, some of the Christian Evangelical missionaries completely ignore what the moderate Muslims say and have their own way of reading the verse. According to them this verse proves that Muhammad (may God honor and bless him evermore) made up the Qur`an using Jewish sources and that the next verse (5:33) shows that Muslims can kill anyone who does not accept Islam!

    In reality the verse, like all other passages of the Qur`an, is a miracle in knowledge and goodness. It gives human life a value not given to it before or after Islam and it provides a powerful evidence that the Qur`an continues, corrects, completes and perfects earlier religions. Let us study the verse phrase by phrase to see how this is so.

    “On that account” This refers back to the story in the previous verses (5:27-31) of the two sons of Adam (may peace be upon him), one of whom, Qabil (called Cain in English), murdered the other, Habil (called Abel). This was probably the first human death and murder in history, since Qabil did not know what to do with the dead body of his brother and had to learn it from a crow (5:31).

    “We ordained for the Children of Isra`il” After this first murder in history God prohibited the killing of a human being, which shows that God generally gives laws after they have become necessary. The prohibition must have been done soon after the murder but the Qur`an takes us many ages forward in time to the time of the Children of Isra`il. This is because the verse is revealed in the context of Islamic message directed towards the people of the book. Many verses that precede and many verses that follow 5:32 concern the Jews and Christians. Indeed most of the Surah is about them and even its name al-Ma`idah (The Table) is derived from a story about Christians and the Prophet ‘Isa (5:112-119). The words “We ordained for the Children of Isra`il” may also reflect the fact that the particular form of the prohibition of murder mentioned in the verse found its first expression, albeit an imperfect one (see below), in the Israelite tradition.

    “if any one slew a person … it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a person, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity”.

    This is part of what was ordained for the Children of Isra`il. It is natural to ask where in the Isra`ili writings the principle equating the killing/saving of one person with the killing/saving the whole humanity is found. The principle is not found in the Bible but we do find it in the Talmud, a collection of Rabbinical legal and exegetical opinions considered by Jews almost as sacred as the Bible itself. The tradition is found in two versions, one is somewhat universal and the other is ethnocentric.

    The universalist version, which is rather late, reads:

    … For thus we find in the case of Cain, who killed his brother, that it is written: ‘The bloods of your brother cry unto Me’ (Genesis 4:10). It is not said here blood in the singular, but bloods in the plural, that is, his own blood and the blood of his seed. Therefore was Adam created alone, to teach us that whoever destroys a single life, the Scriptures considers it as if he destroyed a whole race (or world). And whoever saves a single life, the Scriptures considers it as if he saved a whole race (or world). (Mishnah, Sanhedrin 4.5)

    Here we find a principle similar to the one given in the Qur`an, although the Qur`an takes it to new heights. As in the Qur`an, so also in the above Talmudic passage the principle is connected with the story of the murder of Abel by his brother Cain.

    The second version, which is ethnocentric is earlier. It is found in the Babylonian Talmud:

    Therefore was man created singly, to teach that whoever destroys a single life from Isreal is considered by Scripture as if he had destroyed an entire world and that whoever preserves a single life from Israel is considered by Scripture as if he had preserved an entire world1.

    Here the words “from Israel” give to the passage the ethnocentric meaning that a single Israeli life is so valuable that destroying/saving it is tentamount to destroying/saving an entire world.

    Which of the two versions is original?

    In modern times many Jews favor the first universalist version. Thus in the famous movie, Schindler’s List by the director Spielberg, it is the first universalist version that is quoted, although its application is made to Jewish lives, since Schindler is turned into a hero for saving some Jews from the Nazis. It is not conceivable that a popular American movie will view in the same manner someone who tried to save Palestinians from the Zionists. The same Spielberg has now made a movie Munich about the Israeli revenge against those Palestinians they suspected of killing the Israeli athletes in 1972. The movie honors and legitimizes Israeli state-ordered murders of the Palestinians on mere suspicion, not only of those who were suspected of taking part in the Munich attacks but also of all the Palestininias that the Zionist regime kills on a daily basis. It is also doubtful whether the Spielbergs of the movie industry will make a movie about the Muslims who protected the Jews from the Nazis, except if and when Muslims become wealthy and powerful.

    But which of the two versions is original? In favor of the second version there is the fact that it is attested earlier. In favor of the first version there is the argument that it fits better the reasoning behind the passage. This reasoning seems to be as follows: human beings were not created all at the same time but as offspring from individual men. If an individual man lived the whole tribe or race that descends from him came into existence and if that individual man died then a tribe or race that could have descended from him is also killed. This teaches us that the killing of one man is like killing a whole tribe and saving one man is like saving a whole tribe.

    The above argument in favor of the universalist version can be countered by saying that numerous very explicit statements in the Talmud state that non-Israelites are not really among the children of Adam. Restricting the above reasoning to the Israelites as the only children of Adam gives the ethnocentric formulation we find in the Babylonian Talmud. Thus there may be no real difference between the two versions. The second simply makes explicit what is implicit in the first.

    There is also the possibility that the universal version entered Judaism under the influence of Islam, since that version is not attested with certainty before Islam.

    In any case, the Qur`an not only corrects the ethnocentric version but also improves the “universalist” version. In the latter, killing/saving a single person is like killing/saving a whole tribe or race that descends or could have descended from him. In the Qur`an the killing/saving a single person is like killing/saving of the whole humankind and not just the tribe or race descending from him. In this way the Qur`an takes the value of an individual human life to a new height. Some Christian missionaries and other prejudicial Jews and Christians fail to recognize this. They use the similarity between the Talmudic and Qur`anic passages to assert rather that the Prophet Muhammad took ideas from Jewish, Christian and other earlier sources and passed them on as divine revelation. For a more detailed discussion of this type of error, see my article, “The Prophet Muhammad and Earlier Religions, Especially Judaism and Christianity”.

    In its Qur`anic, truly universal form, the principle of equality of killing/saving one man with killing/saving of all humanity has the following meaning: You are either the sort of person who can murder no human being or you are the sort of person who can kill anyone who stands in your way. You either value all human life or you do not value human life at all.

    It is interesting that the principle being discussed here is found in one rabbi’s comments on the Bible and yet it finds a place in the Qur`an, while there are many mainstream Jewish traditions, widely encountered in the Bible and the Talmud, that are not referred to in the Qur`an. The reason is that the Qur`an generally retains from earlier traditions what can be given continued and universal relevance. Also, the fact that a tradition is found in one rabbi’s view in the Talmud does not mean that the tradition was rare. The Talmud represents oral traditions and it is possible that a tradition was widely circulated orally but found written expression only rarely.

    That the principle is said to be ordained by God does not necessarily mean that God revealed it through one of his prophets. God may ordain something by revealing it though a prophetic revelation or approving it after it has been established by some normal human processes, which also take place by God’s will. This is supported by 3:93 and 6:146. In the first of these two verses it is said that all foods (generally eaten by human beings other than those mentioned in 6:145) were permissible for the Israelites except those that they prohibited for themselves before the Torah was sent down. In the second verse it is said that God forbade to the Jews a number of foods in order to punish them for their rebelliousness. This probably means that many of the foods prohibited in Judaism were not initially forbidden by a prophetic revelation but were prohibited by the Jews themselves, but later God confirmed the prohibition as a punishment for their rebelliousness. The point can be further elucidated by the example of the call to prayers (adhan) in Islamic tradition: adhan was first started by Muslims and then accepted by Qur`anic revelation.

    “unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land”. These conditions under which execution of a person is justified are not part of the Talmudic passage where equality of killing/saving one person and of killing/saving a race is mentioned. The Qur`an tends to give us as balanced statements as is possible without making the statement unusually long and clumsy.

    In the Qur`an there is no mandatory death penalty even for these two crimes (5:33, 45, 2:178). In any case they are far more restrictive than in the Jewish tradition, which not only allows but requires death penalty for many more cases. In this way, the Qur`an makes another improvement over the earlier traditions.

    Here is a long list of deeds punishable by death in the Bible, as against the two in the Qur`an:

    Cursing or disobeying parents (Ex 21:17, Deut 21:18-21)
    Murder (Ex 21:12, 21:15) And he that smites his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
    Adultery (Lev 19:20, 20:10)
    Kidnapping and enslaving a man (Ex 21:16)
    Beastiality (Lev 20:15-16)
    Abominations (Lev 20:2)
    Blasphemy (Lev 24:16)
    Incest (Lev 20:11-14)
    Witchcraft (Ex. 22:18, Lev 20:27, Num 3:10)
    False Prophecy (Deu 13:5)
    Rebellion (Josh 1:18, 2 Chr 15:13)
    Lying with a woman having her menstruation (Lev 20:18)
    Working on the sabbath day (Ex 16:25, 29, 31:14-15,35:2-3, Num 15:32-36)
    Losing virginity before majority (Deut 22:21-24)
    Worshiping or enticing others to worship gods of non-Jews (Deut 13:6-10, 17:2 -5)

    Other pre-Islamic traditions are also full of mandatory death penalties. By totally doing away with mandatory death penalty for all crimes the Qur`an further raises the value of human life in comparison to other religions.

    Another striking feature of the Qur`anic verse is that it does not make explicit the link between the story of Abel and Cain and the principle stated in the verse. This is probably because that link is not important. What is important is the principle to which the link led.

    “Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear (guidance), yet, even after that, many of them continue to commit excesses in the land.”

    This refers to the numerous prophets sent to the children of Isra`il, from Musa to ‘Isa followed by Muhammad (peace be upon them all) who affirmed righteous conduct, including regard for human life. But despite all these messengers from God, many of the Jews, whenever they have the power, continue to show violence to others especially to non-Jews, as has been demonstrated often in Palestine and Lebanon and other neighboring countries.

    IN SUMMARY, the Qur`an continues, corrects, completes and perfects earlier religious traditions. This is illustrated by the verse discussed in the article. The verse continues earlier tradition by building on a principle found in the Talmud. It corrects earlier tradition by rejecting the ethnocentric version of the principle which talks only of saving/killing an Isra`ili life. It completes the earlier tradition by mentioning the important exceptions under which the life of a human being can be taken. Finally, it perfects the earlier tradition by improving even the universalist version in the Talmud. In the Talmud the killing/saving of a man is like killing/saving of all his descendents. In the Qur`an the killing/saving a man is like killing of the whole humanity, regardless of whether they descend from him or not, thus greatly increasing the value of a human life. Moreover, the Qur`an reduces the crimes punishable by death to only two very basic crimes2 and even in these cases the death penalty is not mandatory.

    • The Bible is well known for its verses of violence. Verses not in effect today. For instance Joshua commanding the tribes to destroy (wipe out) Joshua 10:40 So Joshua smote all the land, the hill-country, and the South, and the Lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings; he left none remaining; but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD, the G-d of Israel, commanded. Be grateful that the Israelis don’t follow this. For there would be no non-Jews living in the land today.

      But your Koran is full of hatred and violence. Calls to murder by Muhammad (May He Burn In Hell):

      Koran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”

      Koran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

      Koran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”

      Just a few that is taught and preached in every mosque on a regular basis. How can you say to your brother, `Brother, let me remove the splinter from your eye,’ when you yourself don’t see the log in your own eye? You hypocrite! First take the log out of your own eye; then you will see clearly, so that you can remove the splinter from your brother’s eye! Luke 6:42

      Now as for the movie Munich. 8 members of Black September first took hostage then murdered 11 Israeli athletes during the Munich Olympic Games of 1972. They got away. The Israelis tracked them down and eliminated most of them since the world wouldn’t do it. They were murders and the worst scum of the Earth: Muslims. Be very grateful you bastards have oil. That is all you have. Without it you and your Pedophile Prophet would be on the dust heap of history. You had better pray to your false Moon God, Allah that the West never invents a way to do without your oil.

      Funny thing about your oil. None of you rag heads will work in the oil fields. All the work is done by Westerners you hire. You cannot fly your planes, you hire Westerners to do that too. In fact there is no field of science, no field of the arts, no field of Mathematics, no field what so ever outside of the study of the piece of $hit known as the Koran that any of you idiots excel in. In fact, the lot of you are so in bred that as a collective bunch you make Forrest Gump look like a genius.

      Remember this too: In 1948 the State of Israel was created. 5 of your armies attacked the new born state. 5 well equipped, well trained armies up against 100,000 poorly equipped (No tanks, no planes, no guns.). poorly trained men. Guess who won? That should have been the first sign that you cannot defeat G-d’s Chosen.

  23. It is a sorrowful event. i am really upset to read this essay, this description is upset able. indeed, i think Mohammad Shafia is a talent-full person. even he don’t dangers thing.

    • Obviously Mr. Shafia and his second wife and a son were dangerous to the rest of his family! The Only talent he had was to lie on his immigration papers and to kill female family members….which in the end…he got caught and is now sitting in a Canadian jail! Hoorah ! Too bad justice wasn’t served as in “an eye for an eye”!! The shafia murderers deserved to die a horrific death like they imposed on the four women!

  24. Sorrowful event, huh? Upset to read this “essay,” huh? Well buddy, the truth hurts ,doesn’t it? The horrific truth about islam, that is.

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